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Title: Native calf...just a picture of whats new
Post by: librarian on March 29, 2022, 08:04:25 PM
DMH What A Surprise heifer out of CSB Maid of Promise E5.
My Haumont bull, 211, just waiting around for something to do.
Title: Re: Native calf...just a picture of whats new
Post by: beebe on March 29, 2022, 09:17:35 PM
Nice calf, congratulations.
Title: Re: Native calf...just a picture of whats new
Post by: librarian on March 29, 2022, 10:59:09 PM
Thanks, the dam is a good cow, sired by a Max son. I have another neat calf, a bull calf, by What A Surprise out of a Maverick daughter out of a Max daughter.
Title: Re: Native calf...just a picture of whats new
Post by: Dale on March 30, 2022, 07:43:05 AM
Functional, durable, and easy on the eye Shorthorns that have breed character.
Title: Re: Native calf...just a picture of whats new
Post by: oakview on March 30, 2022, 09:29:05 AM
Nice group.  Nothing wrong with that roan calf.  The red calf looks to have a lot of expression down his top.  If I remember correctly, the Surprise cattle had a lot of muscle shape.  The photo of the bull reminds me of the photo of Par Defender the Haumonts have used for years in their ads.  You can send the roan calf my way if you decide you don't like it.
Title: Re: Native calf...just a picture of whats new
Post by: beebe on March 30, 2022, 09:59:21 AM
Thanks, the dam is a good cow, sired by a Max son. I have another neat calf, a bull calf, by What A Surprise out of a Maverick daughter out of a Max daughter.
So it looks like you are lining up the 189 cow.
Title: Re: Native calf...just a picture of whats new
Post by: Okotoks on March 31, 2022, 12:13:55 PM
This cow, DMH Cherry 2 arrived in Canada December 23, 2021 from CSB Shorthorns. She will be 13 in April and is bred to a bull that carries two crosses of the Maid of Promise 189 cow mentioned above.(CSB Baxter Learjet G23)
If all goes well we hope to flush her this spring to some native bulls we have had stored in our tank for years. I think Cherry 2 has a daughter in Libraian's herd!
Title: Re: Native calf...just a picture of whats new
Post by: Duncraggan on March 31, 2022, 01:27:33 PM
Great looking cattle, all. We need more of these!
Title: Re: Native calf...just a picture of whats new
Post by: beebe on April 01, 2022, 12:35:46 PM
This cow, DMH Cherry 2 arrived in Canada December 23, 2021 from CSB Shorthorns. She will be 13 in April and is bred to a bull that carries two crosses of the Maid of Promise 189 cow mentioned above.(CSB Baxter Learjet G23)
If all goes well we hope to flush her this spring to some native bulls we have had stored in our tank for years. I think Cherry 2 has a daughter in Libraian's herd!
That is great.  I would love to see that old native semen used on native cows. 
Title: Re: Native calf...just a picture of whats new
Post by: scotland on April 03, 2022, 02:44:49 PM
nice looking cow Okotoks, what bulls are on your flush too list?
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Title: Re: Native calf...just a picture of whats new
Post by: Okotoks on April 04, 2022, 11:30:02 AM
nice looking cow Okotoks, what bulls are on your flush too list?
r
The first is Meriwong Royal Grant, I only have two vials of this Australian bull born in 1959. His pedigree has polled animals exported from the US to Australia to develop polled shorthons there. He is the sire of Mandalong Royal Ambassador and the dam's Mandalong Super Flag and Mandalong Super Elephant. I have been going to use it in a flush for years so hopefully later this spring will see if we can get something from it. Backup sire might be Newbiggon Jumbo by Mandalong Super Elephant and out of Mandalong Roany 51st.(carries two crosses of Meriwong Royal Grant)
Title: Re: Native calf...just a picture of whats new
Post by: librarian on April 07, 2022, 10:52:41 AM
Thanks, the dam is a good cow, sired by a Max son. I have another neat calf, a bull calf, by What A Surprise out of a Maverick daughter out of a Max daughter.
So it looks like you are lining up the 189 cow.
Yes, Its working out pretty good. And... that white cow has a perfect udder. I dont believe in stacking white or I would AI her to DMH Minnesota Snowflake (white)... a Leader 6th son out of a full sister to What A Surprise (white). My Lincoln Red x Native bull was out of a Max daughter. I have a nice Galloway x first calf heifer by him with a What a Surprise bull calf on her. Probably only you would appreciate this. That is snow on her neck, not white. The red with white marks calf is very Native Shorthorn in type.
Title: Re: Native calf...just a picture of whats new
Post by: librarian on April 07, 2022, 11:35:53 AM
Nice group.  Nothing wrong with that roan calf.  The red calf looks to have a lot of expression down his top.  If I remember correctly, the Surprise cattle had a lot of muscle shape.  The photo of the bull reminds me of the photo of Par Defender the Haumonts have used for years in their ads.  You can send the roan calf my way if you decide you don't like it.
What a Surprise himself is very dual purpose in phenotype, but that FA Warrior in Weston Surprise 14th is certainly thick. This calf is just as wide and flat on top as he looks and has only gotten better. That photo was the day after he was born. About the roan... as long as she gets bred Native, Ill think about it. Maybe Surge
would work. I'm all about making Shorthorns Great again.
🙂
Title: Re: Native calf...just a picture of whats new
Post by: librarian on April 07, 2022, 03:13:01 PM
This cow, DMH Cherry 2 arrived in Canada December 23, 2021 from CSB Shorthorns. She will be 13 in April and is bred to a bull that carries two crosses of the Maid of Promise 189 cow mentioned above.(CSB Baxter Learjet G23)
If all goes well we hope to flush her this spring to some native bulls we have had stored in our tank for years. I think Cherry 2 has a daughter in Libraian's herd!
Yes...my CSB Cherry H31 heifer a daughter of your cow by What a Surprise and bred back to him through circumstance. I'm all about linebreeding but would rather skip a generation. However, I see your cow is the product of a mother son mating so I guess we can call it tradition. Mine  a very feminine, old fashioned roan with plenty of depth and a nice head, good feet, legs etc.
Title: Re: Native calf...just a picture of whats new
Post by: librarian on April 07, 2022, 04:10:00 PM
And, Okotoks, Nobody asked, but I have seen a lot of different combinations of old sires on these dual purpose genetics and if you have any Ball Dee Perfect Count...it is a phenotypic elixir.
Title: Re: Native calf...just a picture of whats new
Post by: knabe on April 08, 2022, 12:34:11 PM
I have been going to use it in a flush for years so hopefully later this spring will see if we can get something from it.


why not ivf, use on multiple cows that are proven to produce ivf > 10 #1's.


use residual for parentage marker file.
Title: Re: Native calf...just a picture of whats new
Post by: Okotoks on April 08, 2022, 12:55:25 PM
I have been going to use it in a flush for years so hopefully later this spring will see if we can get something from it.


why not ivf, use on multiple cows that are proven to produce ivf > 10 #1's.


use residual for parentage marker file.
That actually was the plan, set up four cows for IVF then also do the 100K and genetice tests on the old bull. Plan to to have back up semen in case something has gone wrong in shipping and storage over the past 60 years! 
 
Title: Re: Native calf...just a picture of whats new
Post by: Okotoks on April 22, 2022, 10:55:56 AM
The DMH Cherry 2 cow had a red heifer calf. Considering her move and the winter she is doing well for a thirteen year old. This is the cow that traveled north with her. This cow CSB Rosabell 2nd is bred to DMH Easy Leader 20-13 pictured. The roan bull is her sire.
Title: Re: Native calf...just a picture of whats new
Post by: beebe on April 25, 2022, 09:58:50 AM
The DMH Cherry 2 cow had a red heifer calf. Considering her move and the winter she is doing well for a thirteen year old. This is the cow that traveled north with her. This cow CSB Rosabell 2nd is bred to DMH Easy Leader 20-13 pictured. The roan bull is her sire.
Have you been hit by these late season storms?
Title: Re: Native calf...just a picture of whats new
Post by: Okotoks on April 25, 2022, 12:57:34 PM
The DMH Cherry 2 cow had a red heifer calf. Considering her move and the winter she is doing well for a thirteen year old. This is the cow that traveled north with her. This cow CSB Rosabell 2nd is bred to DMH Easy Leader 20-13 pictured. The roan bull is her sire.
Have you been hit by these late season storms?
No we have not. The storms with a lot of snow have been to the east and north of us. That photo of Rosabell was from last week when we got a couple of inches but it was all gone within a day. We are as dry as I ever remember it. Mostly cool windy weather.
Title: Re: Native calf...just a picture of whats new
Post by: librarian on May 11, 2022, 06:59:59 PM
The DMH Cherry 2 cow had a red heifer calf. Considering her move and the winter she is doing well for a thirteen year old. This is the cow that traveled north with her. This cow CSB Rosabell 2nd is bred to DMH Easy Leader 20-13 pictured. The roan bull is her sire.
Have you been hit by these late season storms?
My Cherry heifer is bagging up. Looks like a real pretty udder so far. The sire of the calf is DMH Felix 2019. From what I see the Leader x Haumont crosses are complementary for adding some muscle and volume to the dual type, bringing frame size down a notch and retaining milk and all around functional maternal traits. An old idea that still works.
Title: Re: Native calf...just a picture of whats new
Post by: mark tenenbaum on May 13, 2022, 11:32:45 PM
I know the breeders in Canada are aware of them but did anyone else on here realize the impact the bulls like Deertrail Goliath, Wallstreet, or Powerhouse ( Divdend Son ) had ? They were all out of Marvel cows going back to The Haumont and THICK dual Shorthorn cows that dont really exist like they did then HOW DO I KNOW THIS ?-I was showing Scotch type Shorthorns from 1960. Aberfeldy and some Scottsdale blood  and direct Scottish breeding like Saulton Northstar. Even then the highest gaining bulls of any breed in the US were coming from the VA bull test-And they all went back to the BIG dual cattle where the breeders refsed to breed belt buckle cattle and in some herds like the long gone Lucy herd in Warrenton VA Area -Had basically been around at that time since the turn of the century. As big as Deertrail Goliath was-Not that many calves were 8 frame monsters  He followed the cow. An early CE bull in the 90s was Byland BUD LIGHT-I saw his dam and they later put her on a sale. She was very moderate and wide as a barn with the thick extreme square butt and hip THAT ONLY IRISH BLOOD SEEMS TO PRODUCE ANYMORE  O0