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New RA Genetic defect rules
« on: August 28, 2008, 07:02:23 PM »
To RA breeders: What do you think of the new genetic defect rules? Far enough? Too far?
Plus, pretty neat flier they sent out too!!!
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Re: New RA Genetic defect rules
« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2008, 09:00:39 PM »
The slick flier got my attention. Makes one wonder if a big breeder got burned? If so then they (ARA) will be serious. Otherwise..??

I hope that the attitude among associations is changing, maybe slowly, about true damaging genetic defects. In the ARA we track everything even remotely tied to economic relevance, why not genetic defects too?
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Re: New RA Genetic defect rules
« Reply #2 on: August 29, 2008, 07:23:03 AM »
What are the rules? What did the flyer say? Does anyone think canyon is a carrier? Or do we need to look deeper into the two official carriers pedigrees. If it is like the shorthorn and maine deal...it will probably take a year or so for the Red Angus breeders to collectively get a grasp on the situation. If there were any red angus bloodlines used in gelbvieh,limi,simmental,shorthorn or other breeds....what are the odds of marble bone being in these breeds now? Just food for thought. :)
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Re: New RA Genetic defect rules
« Reply #3 on: August 29, 2008, 09:07:59 AM »
maybe someone can enlighten us non RA breeders. What is the defect & what are new rules?

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Re: New RA Genetic defect rules
« Reply #4 on: August 29, 2008, 12:59:05 PM »
Red for you I will go to the ends of the internet. Here is the official ARA Q&A on genetic defects.
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Re: New RA Genetic defect rules
« Reply #5 on: August 29, 2008, 01:07:22 PM »
maybe someone can enlighten us non RA breeders. What is the defect & what are new rules?

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Re: New RA Genetic defect rules
« Reply #6 on: August 29, 2008, 01:15:34 PM »
thanks SD & DL!

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Re: New RA Genetic defect rules
« Reply #7 on: August 29, 2008, 01:20:08 PM »
maybe someone can enlighten us non RA breeders. What is the defect & what are new rules?

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Here are the Rules and Regs from the ARA and, also, their latest rule changees as of June '08.  The Rules pertaining to registration requirements incuding genetic monitoring and reporting is all in Sec. C of the Rules and Regs.
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Re: New RA Genetic defect rules
« Reply #8 on: August 29, 2008, 08:48:35 PM »
I wonder if there is a phenotype that goes with marble bone. For instance...you can tell a th calf carrier by his hair and straiter back legs and he has the look. I wonder if such a deal exists with the marble bone. I know in the 1950's they did experiments with herfords to see if you could i.d. a dwarfism carrier by just looking at cattle and no one could.
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Re: New RA Genetic defect rules
« Reply #9 on: August 29, 2008, 09:23:17 PM »
The thing that caught my attention is the fact that when you sell a registered red angus, you, as a seller are guaranteeing them to be defect free, and to have a defect free calf (if selling bred). If the animal is found to be a carrier down the road, you, as a seller, are REQUIRED to either replace the animal, or refund their money. That means if I sell a heifer today and it turns out she is a carrier next year (please keep in mind - no genetic test yet) I MUST refund or replace.

Just wandered what everything thought.....pretty strong stance compared to other breeds and genetic defects...
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Re: New RA Genetic defect rules
« Reply #10 on: August 29, 2008, 09:49:50 PM »
If I buy a heifer today (no test available) and it later turns out to be a carrier, nothing says I have to go for the refund. But it show the integrity the ARA is trying to instill in the breed.

More importantly and pressing, if I were a big seed stock breeder I would be in Denton, TX personally overseeing the development of that test! JMHO
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Re: New RA Genetic defect rules
« Reply #11 on: August 30, 2008, 02:23:14 PM »
I think it is great! An association stepping up to the plate aggressively despite the politics and $ involved. The ANgus could take a lesson from the RA or for that matter the Holstein Association

This URL provides a good insight into the use of genomics in identification and eventual control of a lethal recessive within a progeny testing program.

http://www.hg.nl/info/brachyspina.htm

This URL provides  insight into the international cooperation among B&W cattle herdbooks in evaluating and sharing information about these conditions.

http://www.whff.info/index.php?content=recessives&


Just imagine what would have happened if the AMAA or ASA or AAA had done what the ARA did!!
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Re: New RA Genetic defect rules
« Reply #12 on: August 30, 2008, 08:59:59 PM »
DL, spot on! (clapping)
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Re: New RA Genetic defect rules
« Reply #13 on: August 30, 2008, 09:05:32 PM »
I agree....and I have heard many breeders in a flat panic over this defect and the bloodlines "involved".....

Makes ya become an "expert" in pedigrees in a hurry!!!

Yeah to the ARA assoc!!!!
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Re: New RA Genetic defect rules
« Reply #14 on: August 31, 2008, 08:35:00 AM »
So is canyon a carrier or not? I'm going to be making breeding decesions here in 8 months or so. Will we have a handle on stuff by then? If that line is a carrier surely someone in the U.S. has seen a defective calf.
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