I have a Boardwalk heifer, a Eye Candy heifer, and a Tiger Woods heifer on the ground. All are out of Maine/Ang and Sim/Ang commercial cows. Can any of them be registered in any association? Also have a Dirty Harry 2 calf due any day, if it is a heifer can it be registered? I know Dirty Harry is registered in Maine Assoc. but can't seem to find out if Dirty Harry 2 is? Should be since they are full brothers, correct??
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Eye Candy and Tiger Woods are both registered with the Chianina Assoc. Boardwalk and Dirty Harry 2 are not registered anywhere.
With these combinations, we have the Composite Beef Cattle Registry www.composite beef
Our costs are very affordable and all animals can be registered at one registry with documented breed percentages.
Boardwalk is listed as a TH carrier, so the only stipulation we have is the calf sired by this bull would need to be DNA tested negative for this.
If you have any questions, do not hesitate to contact us. Our information is on our website.
Eye Candy and Tiger Woods are both registered with the Chianina Assoc. Boardwalk and Dirty Harry 2 are not registered anywhere.
With these combinations, we have the Composite Beef Cattle Registry www.composite beef
Our costs are very affordable and all animals can be registered at one registry with documented breed percentages.
Boardwalk is listed as a TH carrier, so the only stipulation we have is the calf sired by this bull would need to be DNA tested negative for this.
If you have any questions, do not hesitate to contact us. Our information is on our website.
Dirty Harry 2 IS registered Maine. http://www.maine-anjou.org/pagedisplay.php?id=371774 So, DH2 calves will be registered 37.5% Maintainer.
Boardwalk will be registered Chianina soon. Call Matt Lautner and he will guide you.
No need for composite registry on these sires...All calves will be registerable in their respective breeds.
Boardwalk will be registered Chianina soon. Call Matt Lautner and he will guide you.
No need for composite registry on these sires...All calves will be registerable in their respective breeds.
I guess it would depend on how much he wants to spend. With 2 of the bulls registered with the Chianina Assoc and other bull registered with the Maine Anjou Assoc.
2 memberships would have to be purchased, $100 each.
registrations $20 - $30 each
So now to register 4 calves will cost $280 minimum
Withe the Composite Beef Cattle Registry membership is $25
with our special right now, the dam of these calves can be registered, if he knows their bloodlines and the calves registered for $5 each
Total cost with us = Membership $25, 4 cows @ $5 each = $20, 4 calves @ $5 each = $20 for a total of $65.
Our herd assessment rate of $10 per month = $120
Still only $185 verses $280
Which makes more sense?
2 memberships would have to be purchased, $100 each.
registrations $20 - $30 each
So now to register 4 calves will cost $280 minimum
Withe the Composite Beef Cattle Registry membership is $25
with our special right now, the dam of these calves can be registered, if he knows their bloodlines and the calves registered for $5 each
Total cost with us = Membership $25, 4 cows @ $5 each = $20, 4 calves @ $5 each = $20 for a total of $65.
Our herd assessment rate of $10 per month = $120
Still only $185 verses $280
Which makes more sense?
cbcr said:
Will these papers get a calf into a breed show? Better be careful what you are promoting, I would be one ticked off person if I spent the money to join your assc. and then papered a calf only to be turned away at check-in because these are not accepted. You dont need papers to get into a commercial class. Will these get you into a AOB class?
It depends on the show. Some shows only require that animals be registered, others require that they be registered with a certain registry.
It is just that if breeders are breeding cows of different mixed breeds, either registered or commercial to bulls registered in more than one association, we offer a cost effective solution, one registry no matter the breed or composition, as we mentioned above.
It is just that if breeders are breeding cows of different mixed breeds, either registered or commercial to bulls registered in more than one association, we offer a cost effective solution, one registry no matter the breed or composition, as we mentioned above.
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I am sorry, I have been in this game for about 20 yrs, and have read all the posts concerning and debating this composite beef registry, and I have to say, I just dont see the point or use for it? I dont foresee those papers getting you in the door at any shows, and if I know I am raising a cross, I definately am not gonna pay the money to join and register it with your association just to say it has papers.
No offense, I honestly think I see where you were coming from in starting this, but it just seems like an amature idea to me. If the calf is registerable with one of the associations already out there, then I will register there, but its not registerable already I dont see the point. Beyond the show ring papers are only useful for EPD's and EPD's are already invalid on a composite anyway. So I just dont see a real use for this new association. The AOB or ORB classes at a show are the best you can even hope that these papers could get a calf into, and calves that are truly eligible for those classes will already have papers somewhere else!
No offense, I honestly think I see where you were coming from in starting this, but it just seems like an amature idea to me. If the calf is registerable with one of the associations already out there, then I will register there, but its not registerable already I dont see the point. Beyond the show ring papers are only useful for EPD's and EPD's are already invalid on a composite anyway. So I just dont see a real use for this new association. The AOB or ORB classes at a show are the best you can even hope that these papers could get a calf into, and calves that are truly eligible for those classes will already have papers somewhere else!
I think there are many misconceptions about EPD's and Composite cattle.
I was at a sale the other day that we had performed a multi-breed evaluation on some of the bulls selling. Some of the consignors were very interested and liked what we did.
Out at the bull pens, visited more with some of these guys and even when they had some potential buyers looking at their bulls they had me explain some of our results to them.
Visiting with some other people there that I knew they were primarily looking at Angus bulls to put with heifers because of their calving ease. I ask them about some of the other bulls in the sale and they said that they knew that the EPD's on the other breeds were different and didn't trust themselves enough to be able to select another breed to use on the heifers.
So I pulled out the evaluations that we had done and showed them the results and that some of the other breeds of bulls in the sale could definitely be used on heifers. He wrote down the lot numbers and was going to look at them. In fact some of the other breeds had bulls with better calving ease. I have seen many questions on this forum asking about which bulls can be used on heifers. Where is there any kind of information as to the calving ease, BW, WW, YW etc.?
Wanted to see how some of the first lots in the sale sold. Was setting buy a guy from Iowa and a guy from Kansas. Got to visiting with them and they really like the idea of being able to have a true multi-breed evaluation to compare bulls of all breeds. Another thing that they said, they feel that EPD's are too confusing, one even mentioned that breeders with college degrees have difficulty understanding EPD's. The thing that is so confusing to them is the fact that every breed associations EPD's are all different, can't compare one breed to the next, and there are just too many EPD's.
We DO NOT use the EPD for our evaluations that have been done by the breed registry. We use the raw date, birth weight, weaning weight, yearling weight etc. along with 4 other contemporaries to generate our Multi-Breed evaluations. We have over 70 breeds and over 2.5 million animals in the database. We take into consideration the animals true breed makeup (not by a breed associations rules), include the hybrid vigor and breed information BEFORE our evaluations are ran. This is why we can compare one breed to another or one breed to an animals that is a composite, accurately.
It would surprise you how many we have had contact us that they finally got fed up with the politics and high expense of registering cattle with breed associations. Also how many breeders have more than one breed.
I guess it seems that many people want to say there are 2 kinds of beef breeders, show people and real beef people. I have ask some people who breed to club calve bulls, how well their cattle can perform compared to other breeds. They say they will perform quite well. We have seen some data that they do. But none of this is promoted, WHY?
How many club calf sire are there that are not registered? What if they are used on commercial cows? Where can these cattle be registered?
The Composite Beef Cattle Registry, is not the enemy. We are here to help producers.
I was at a sale the other day that we had performed a multi-breed evaluation on some of the bulls selling. Some of the consignors were very interested and liked what we did.
Out at the bull pens, visited more with some of these guys and even when they had some potential buyers looking at their bulls they had me explain some of our results to them.
Visiting with some other people there that I knew they were primarily looking at Angus bulls to put with heifers because of their calving ease. I ask them about some of the other bulls in the sale and they said that they knew that the EPD's on the other breeds were different and didn't trust themselves enough to be able to select another breed to use on the heifers.
So I pulled out the evaluations that we had done and showed them the results and that some of the other breeds of bulls in the sale could definitely be used on heifers. He wrote down the lot numbers and was going to look at them. In fact some of the other breeds had bulls with better calving ease. I have seen many questions on this forum asking about which bulls can be used on heifers. Where is there any kind of information as to the calving ease, BW, WW, YW etc.?
Wanted to see how some of the first lots in the sale sold. Was setting buy a guy from Iowa and a guy from Kansas. Got to visiting with them and they really like the idea of being able to have a true multi-breed evaluation to compare bulls of all breeds. Another thing that they said, they feel that EPD's are too confusing, one even mentioned that breeders with college degrees have difficulty understanding EPD's. The thing that is so confusing to them is the fact that every breed associations EPD's are all different, can't compare one breed to the next, and there are just too many EPD's.
We DO NOT use the EPD for our evaluations that have been done by the breed registry. We use the raw date, birth weight, weaning weight, yearling weight etc. along with 4 other contemporaries to generate our Multi-Breed evaluations. We have over 70 breeds and over 2.5 million animals in the database. We take into consideration the animals true breed makeup (not by a breed associations rules), include the hybrid vigor and breed information BEFORE our evaluations are ran. This is why we can compare one breed to another or one breed to an animals that is a composite, accurately.
It would surprise you how many we have had contact us that they finally got fed up with the politics and high expense of registering cattle with breed associations. Also how many breeders have more than one breed.
I guess it seems that many people want to say there are 2 kinds of beef breeders, show people and real beef people. I have ask some people who breed to club calve bulls, how well their cattle can perform compared to other breeds. They say they will perform quite well. We have seen some data that they do. But none of this is promoted, WHY?
How many club calf sire are there that are not registered? What if they are used on commercial cows? Where can these cattle be registered?
The Composite Beef Cattle Registry, is not the enemy. We are here to help producers.
mainecattlemother
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I am from MN and I know at our MN Beef Expo they have added the Composite class. We also have an AOB class which your Chianinas would fit under, as we dont have a seperate class for them like a lot of shows have. I am not a fan of the composite class but I believe there is talk about adding the class at various shows. I believe at our state fair as long as you had the composite papers you could show in the AOB class. They have not added a composite class as of yet.
