ROMAX
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Why are we seeing more steers being shown with nose rings?
Nose rings
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cowman 52
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I would bet cause they be mean sob's
Spencer10218
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Inbreds are the meanest
Spencer10218 said:
Only if the meanness was inbred........ Lots of guys keep sons of their own herd bull for their next herd bull..... "Inbreeding" accentuates the traits, both good and bad, It is not "in breeding " to blame, it is the animal that is being line bred on.
Spencer10218
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I have noticed a lot of girls are starting to get nose rings
Its probably a new fashion trend for the steers
Its probably a new fashion trend for the steers
Might step on a few toes here (but hey, that is a talent of mine!)
1. People are taking the "easy way" of training show cattle. It takes a lot of time and dedication to make a animal super gentle. Sometimes when pushed, abused and "man handled" the animals learn to push back.
2. Certain bloodlines are known for their bad attitudes, yet they win, so therefore, people are still using them and even line breeding them which creates a big problem. Win at all cost mentality.
3. Parents pay big money for animals, and they certainly are not going to sell it at the salebarn if they can not get it broke, so therefore, slam a ring in it. Again, win at all cost.
I do not agree with the practice, but then again, I do not tolerate mean or wild behavior in ANY of my livestock, especially an animal I am going to take into the public and put everyone at risk just win a ribbon.
1. People are taking the "easy way" of training show cattle. It takes a lot of time and dedication to make a animal super gentle. Sometimes when pushed, abused and "man handled" the animals learn to push back.
2. Certain bloodlines are known for their bad attitudes, yet they win, so therefore, people are still using them and even line breeding them which creates a big problem. Win at all cost mentality.
3. Parents pay big money for animals, and they certainly are not going to sell it at the salebarn if they can not get it broke, so therefore, slam a ring in it. Again, win at all cost.
I do not agree with the practice, but then again, I do not tolerate mean or wild behavior in ANY of my livestock, especially an animal I am going to take into the public and put everyone at risk just win a ribbon.
BTDT said:
There is a lot of truth in that statement, the one I might disagree with is number three. If a family bought a steer that turned out to not be super gentle. They might have their ONE shot at a show steer for the year in that animal. In that case I would HOPE that the breeder or trader would help them as much as possible before the sale of it, but also after it.
One person I know that shows some bulls just refers to a nose ring as an emergency brake...... Personally I don't like the idea, but would rather a steer have it and not need it then not have it and cause a problem. 1400# steer 90#kid......
Problem in the first 2 reasons you gave is ey probably aren't using the ring right either.
sackshowcattle
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AI has a lot to do with it. Now that it is so popular most people don't see the disposition of the bull they are using. In the past disposition problems would have left the farm quickly when you personally had to deal with it. I think the other thing pushing it is to much money being made and put into these bulls by the promoters to ship one for attitude. IMO 2 tone is a good example. I have seen a few threads on disposition problems and looked at the new catalog close and seen blood on his nose most likely from fighting the nose ring. If the bull is wild enough to need that much force just for a pic he has no business in an industry based on young people handling his offspring.
Boot Jack Bulls
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I frequently refer to nose rings for BULLS as emergency brakes. I never show one that needs the ring to be lead or reprimanded any more that a quick "I'm the boss here" sort of thing. A ring in the nose of a 2300 pound bull does not get you cooperation or respect if they do not already have it!
I think part of the reason you are seeing it more common in steers are the reasons listed prior. Again, we would never show a steer or heifer that needs one in the ring, but I guess I can see why some do. On the flip side, I think that some of the best show heifers have just a touch of attitude. They seem to be a bit more cocky and up-headed, and give that great show ring presence. One of our best heifers ever was like that, but she needed the clip on ring in for a few days of training at home early on just so she would tone it down a bit.
I think part of the reason you are seeing it more common in steers are the reasons listed prior. Again, we would never show a steer or heifer that needs one in the ring, but I guess I can see why some do. On the flip side, I think that some of the best show heifers have just a touch of attitude. They seem to be a bit more cocky and up-headed, and give that great show ring presence. One of our best heifers ever was like that, but she needed the clip on ring in for a few days of training at home early on just so she would tone it down a bit.
renegadelivestock
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I refuse to show a bull WITHOUT a ring. If is lucky enough to keep its nuts after weaning around our place it gets a ring. No matter how docile they are they are still Bulls. Safety first!Boot Jack Bulls said:
HAB
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I know the original question was in regards to steers having nose rings. I am sure temperament and control are the main issue.
As for bulls, most major shows require all bulls over one year of age to have a nose ring. After putting snap in rings on a few times, most bulls become more annoyed with that procedure. A permanent one is much nicer than fighting a bulls head to put a temp one in.
I have been on the receiving end of an exhibitor not paying attention to his 3 yr old bull. When his ram into and under the ass end of my bull in the ring, it gets everyone all excited.
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As for bulls, most major shows require all bulls over one year of age to have a nose ring. After putting snap in rings on a few times, most bulls become more annoyed with that procedure. A permanent one is much nicer than fighting a bulls head to put a temp one in.
I have been on the receiving end of an exhibitor not paying attention to his 3 yr old bull. When his ram into and under the ass end of my bull in the ring, it gets everyone all excited.
;D
Boot Jack Bulls
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I wasn't saying I show bulls without rings.....pretty much have to everywhere I know of anyhow. I was simply saying they must have the right temperament, or the ring don't mean squat. I've been in enough champion drives with over a dozen bulls that I am well aware how little that ring does when the bull has no respect for the person at the halter. We too break every bull on the place to lead, and they all get their rings at weaning. Now back to the original topic.....
Maybe I have the unpopular opinion here but blame it on genetics, the owners, bull promoters I honestly could care less. Ring or no ring its the call of the showman. Some calves are quite good but born with an attitude that is quite bad. We are arguing about an industry that puts glue and paint on a calf to change the apperance, why argue about what we do to control a calf safely. Look at last years lautner farms catalog, page 18, im guessing Bonhams tied that calf up a time or two and he still has a ring.........sure you can blame it on the heatwave calves being tough to handle from time to time, but people knew that going into it. So it MUST be the breeders fault.?.?.? Oh what the heck the awful blame cycle continues.
Aussie
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Carn't show in Australia without a ring in a bulls nose and a clip in a heifer. Guess we are not that tough
