OCC Legend or OCC Anchor for clubby mamas

BAS · Nov 30, 2011

Can anyone tell me which of these bulls OCC Legend or OCC Anchor are best for clubby mamas when put on a good Maine Donor that has a little to much leg. She is a 6.25 to 6.5 frame

CAB · Nov 30, 2011

My choice would be Anchor and I like Legend as far as that goes, but you'll find more great cows with Anchor in them so far than Legends. It may just be that Anchor is ahead of Legend time line wise. I have had some larger framed Legend calves also. You may want to look into the Anchor clone if you don't have the original Anchor semen. I know that SEK has the clone on hand. JMO

BAS · Nov 30, 2011

CAB said:
My choice would be Anchor and I like Legend as far as that goes, but you'll find more great cows with Anchor in them so far than Legends. It may just be that Anchor is ahead of Legend time line wise. I have had some larger framed Legend calves also. You may want to look into the Anchor clone if you don't have the original Anchor semen. I know that SEK has the clone on hand. JMO

Thanks I have the semen of both. Just did not know if Anchor was as structurely correct as Legend and I never have seen daughters of either. Do you know if they milk well

chambero · Nov 30, 2011

Both bulls generally throw daughters that milk. Anchor cattle are too small for some peoples taste, legends will have a little more growth.

Telos · Nov 30, 2011

Had an Anchor daughter out of a DMCC donor cow. She looked great but always had problems. She had two blind quarters on her udder and did not milk worth a flip. Threw an SP calf then pinched a nerve on her third calf and I had to put her down.

I do like the structure on Legend's offspring better then Anchor. Especially on Maine genetics. Anchor's can get too straight on some.

bryan6807 · Nov 30, 2011

I have found anchor to be a cow changer, were as Legend compliments the cow more. I have seen a few legends in production with clubby calves on them and they seem to work, they are fertile were I have had a few anchor daughters and fertility seemed to always be the issue with anchor daughters. I would use Legend, anchor makes them pretty but I dont care how pretty they are, if they dont have a calf they aren't worth much.

clementcattle · Nov 30, 2011

Ohlde cattle are way too small for most "real life" producers but for show calves they will make them really moderate and soggy. They seem to come along with typical Ohlde udeer and structure problems.

OH Breeder · Nov 30, 2011

clementcattle said:
Ohlde cattle are way too small for most "real life" producers but for show calves they will make them really moderate and soggy. They seem to come along with typical Ohlde udeer and structure problems.

Hun?

Mill Iron A · Dec 1, 2011

I would rather go BC Classic myself, sorry I know that wasn't an option but he is out of a full sister to Legend...

Mill Iron A · Dec 1, 2011

Excuse me I meant a full sister to BC Lookout.

nate53 · Dec 1, 2011

Mill Iron A said:
I would rather go BC Classic myself, sorry I know that wasn't an option but he is out of a full sister to Legend...

Whatever happended to G 13 Structure and some of his progeny ( Lagrand Forum, Style-maybe full sib?). QLC out of Hastings Nebraska had them and they always seemed to do really good in Denver. They would be bigger cattle though.

Ohlde talks about about how Anchor improves structure so much on their site, and Legend is flawless phenotypically with their best cow families in his pedigree. They both seem to be very similar as far as the #'s (which are below breed average in just about every way). Awesome on $EN though.

Freddy · Dec 1, 2011

OHLDE-cattle are mainly from Traveler 6807 and those cattle have always had a fertility problem and I'm not sure about udders ...We have been using a son of NEW eDITION that has more grow but has some trmendous clubby type females ......

clementcattle · Dec 1, 2011

OH Breeder said:
clementcattle said:

Ohlde cattle are way too small for most "real life" producers but for show calves they will make them really moderate and soggy. They seem to come along with typical Ohlde udeer and structure problems.

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Hun?

Excuse me, i meant to say reproductive, not udder problems. My bad folks.

ploughshare · Dec 1, 2011

For me either bull makes a cow that is too small with poor maternal calving ease. The cows look great, are sound and have well hung, tight udders with small teats and enough milk. My biggest complaint is the maternal calving ease. Pushing out a stout clubby calf may cause problems.

clementcattle · Dec 1, 2011

I really appreciate the visual quality and $EN in the ohlde lines, I think it's interesting how much weaning and post weaning growth is emphasized in genetics these days but that "gain" doesn't come from thin air. The more growth you add to them the higher nutritional demands go up. It's kind of scary how extreme some of these "growth" bulls are becoming.

GoWyo · Dec 1, 2011

I have to agree with Glenstory on this as the CEM on both bulls is way too low. I bred to BC Lookout for 2 years and will probably stop using him due to CEM of +1 (only used 5 shots and everything has been bulls so far out of cows with good CEM). If going to run Angus based clubbies, it seems to me that the CEM on the parent stock needs to be at least 5 or 6 and 10 would be better. Looking at BC Classic 385-7 here too in lieu of Lookout due to the much higher CEM.

We used Northern Improvement on a deep ribbed Maine heifer and the heifer calf is shaping up really nice. Surprisingly short-statured and definitely stout with some bone to her. I suspect she is going to put on some frame soon though.

Has anybody used JSAR Rodman? If so, how did that turn out?

BAS · Dec 3, 2011

GoWyo said:
I have to agree with Glenstory on this as the CEM on both bulls is way too low. I bred to BC Lookout for 2 years and will probably stop using him due to CEM of +1 (only used 5 shots and everything has been bulls so far out of cows with good CEM). If going to run Angus based clubbies, it seems to me that the CEM on the parent stock needs to be at least 5 or 6 and 10 would be better. Looking at BC Classic 385-7 here too in lieu of Lookout due to the much higher CEM.

We used Northern Improvement on a deep ribbed Maine heifer and the heifer calf is shaping up really nice. Surprisingly short-statured and definitely stout with some bone to her. I suspect she is going to put on some frame soon though.

Has anybody used JSAR Rodman? If so, how did that turn out?

WOW just saw JSAR Rodman for first time what a great looking bull and he does have great numbers do you know of any others just like him that are a bit more moderate

ploughshare · Dec 3, 2011

BAS said:
GoWyo said:

I have to agree with Glenstory on this as the CEM on both bulls is way too low. I bred to BC Lookout for 2 years and will probably stop using him due to CEM of +1 (only used 5 shots and everything has been bulls so far out of cows with good CEM). If going to run Angus based clubbies, it seems to me that the CEM on the parent stock needs to be at least 5 or 6 and 10 would be better. Looking at BC Classic 385-7 here too in lieu of Lookout due to the much higher CEM.

We used Northern Improvement on a deep ribbed Maine heifer and the heifer calf is shaping up really nice. Surprisingly short-statured and definitely stout with some bone to her. I suspect she is going to put on some frame soon though.

Has anybody used JSAR Rodman? If so, how did that turn out?

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WOW just saw JSAR Rodman for first time what a great looking bull and he does have great numbers do you know of any others just like him that are a bit more moderate

JSAR Titan 201 will get you there.

GoWyo · Dec 4, 2011

Glenstory - the photo of JSAR Titan makes him look short necked. I take it he has more extension in real life?

ploughshare · Dec 4, 2011

GoWyo said:
Glenstory - the photo of JSAR Titan makes him look short necked. I take it he has more extension in real life?

Here is a picture of Titan when he sold as Lot 30 in the 2010 JSAR Top Cut sale. When I talked with Greg Stewart about his Angus he thought more of Titan at the same age. He also mentioned that both bulls were moderate in frame. JSAR has a herd of high $W cows.

OCC Legend or OCC Anchor for clubby mamas

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