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Re: One of our junior herd sires
« Reply #105 on: November 25, 2013, 02:29:44 PM »
I remember 25 years ago at the RAWF in Toronto seeing some Simmie bred heifers that were pushing a ton. Just unreal to see that. However, never saw them again after that either.
Everybody has to do what they think is best. That particular breeder was very open and honest about trying to build them as big as possible. That was the program.....but, different era too! Those were the days when frame score hugely influenced show placings. Feed was cheap I guess.

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Re: One of our junior herd sires
« Reply #106 on: November 25, 2013, 04:18:32 PM »
I enjoy walking through the aisles of all the breeds at shows.  Last week I saw some Angus heifers that had to be pushing 16-1700 pounds.  Time to moderate?  Yeah, right.  The show cattle of most every breed are still big.  15-20 years ago there were ton Angus Junior Yearling females in Denver and I'll bet there will be some again next January.  Many years ago Rick Hoyt judged Shorthorns in Louisville.  He commented about how big the cattle were, but said something that I always thought and really agree with.  He said that show cattle will always be bigger than their commercially oriented relatives simply because of how they have been handled.  Show cattle, for the most part, never have a hungry moment, always have a comfortable environment, and never have to walk around 240 acres looking for feed. Cattle taken care of like show cattle will generally be heavier at all stages of life.  Or at least until their show careers are over!  I still say the best way to buy true breeding cattle is to identify somebody that raises cattle similar to how you do, has genetics you think will work, and pick them out in their plain clothes.  Why anybody wanting a herd bull would buy a bull out of a show barn is beyond me.  Unless, of course, his sole purpose is to produce show calves.

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Re: One of our junior herd sires
« Reply #107 on: November 25, 2013, 07:57:22 PM »
I would agree with oakview......but wait.....there will be a new Shorthorn breeder come on here and it will be the ole "How come thebeef /industry doesn't embrace the Shorthorn breed"? And some one will have to lead through the big bwt and cow size all over again.
People can't believe we have such a big moon for such a small town.

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Re: One of our junior herd sires
« Reply #108 on: November 26, 2013, 10:33:34 AM »
But wait............. AJ, If you agree with Oakview does that mean you are only selling show calves by your Denver Champion? ;D
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Re: One of our junior herd sires
« Reply #109 on: November 27, 2013, 05:17:31 PM »
Well played my friend.
People can't believe we have such a big moon for such a small town.

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Re: One of our junior herd sires
« Reply #110 on: November 28, 2013, 07:11:36 AM »
Sorry AJ I could not resist.I concur with Oakview as well.Happy Thanksgiving !
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Re: One of our junior herd sires
« Reply #111 on: February 18, 2014, 10:20:50 PM »
I started this thread about our junior herd sire back last summer. We were taking pictures of our sale bulls and replacement heifers today, and decided to take a picture of Free Spirit as well. Here is how he looked today. We could hardly get him on our scale which is supposed to weigh up to 4000 lbs, but we eventually squeezed him into it. He weighed 2508 lbs today and he was 3 year old on Feb 2nd/14. His first calf arrived in January and it is an impressive bull calf that weighed 92 lbs unassisted from a 3 year old DF Pure Gold daughter He has excellent thickness and length just like his sire.

Free Spirit is extremely easy fleshing and he probably gets most of this trait from his dam Elsie's Jade. She is still here at 15 years of age and still is one of the fattest cows on the place while only getting hay for nutrition during a very cold winter.
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Re: One of our junior herd sires
« Reply #112 on: February 19, 2014, 09:39:01 AM »
Here is another picture of Free Spirit. We now have semen stored at Hawkeye for the US. Semen also available in Canada and a large shipment of his semen is in the process of being shipped to Ireland. A group of Irish breeders have purchased the European semen rights in him.
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Re: One of our junior herd sires
« Reply #113 on: February 19, 2014, 09:57:21 AM »
Put him on a 0 BW cow and all the bases are covered-it may not be a big time show animal,but it would incorporate an extremely impressive and enough generations( with practicality) away from some of the hugest non-calving ease genetics:along with progeny that will do as well in commercial conditions as any. The Salutes were very attractive none-the less: and he appears to still have that deep ribbed look of some of the line bred Solution-Salute ET-als-along with his dams and grandams qualities. He looks to me (from the pictures) to be the best bull from my perspective youve come up with in a while.If I ever get a hiefer out of my 3 embryos on Hardings Capital Gains,and my old Marjorie cow ,Id try him second round for sure. O0

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Re: One of our junior herd sires
« Reply #114 on: February 19, 2014, 02:55:27 PM »
That bull is flat out good.  I liked him in the original post, but his development has been incredible.  I stumbled across some cow named 'Dorothy' that he might work on.  At least he'd be an improvement over the Angus bull she was bred to when I got her!  (Private joke with the UB). I haven't AIed too many over the past few years.  Might be time to get the kit out of the basement.

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Re: One of our junior herd sires
« Reply #115 on: February 19, 2014, 03:20:31 PM »
That bull is flat out good.  I liked him in the original post, but his development has been incredible.  I stumbled across some cow named 'Dorothy' that he might work on.  At least he'd be an improvement over the Angus bull she was bred to when I got her!  (Private joke with the UB). I haven't AIed too many over the past few years.  Might be time to get the kit out of the basement.
// YOU READ MY MIND: PLUS-Kaba works on her family,and her (OLD old school) mother is a grandaughter of Huberdale PM Lora x MSF Equity-cant see for the life of me why Touchdown didnt knick on Dorothy-he did on everything else. O0 (clapping)
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Re: One of our junior herd sires
« Reply #116 on: February 19, 2014, 03:44:29 PM »
I think that he would do a lot of herds a lot of good, his dam is one of my all time favorite females in the breed. Free Spirit was one of my favorite bulls at Agribition in both 2012 and 2013.     <beer>

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Re: One of our junior herd sires
« Reply #117 on: February 19, 2014, 08:44:21 PM »
A few weeks before weaning, Free Spirit got his tail stepped on, out in the pasture, and when I found him, he was covered in blood and his switch was completely tore off. I expect he was lying down and when his tail was stepped on, he must have jumped up, and tore his own tail off. I have heard from vets that this can be a very dangerous injury as if bacteria or infection enter the tail, it will go through the animal very fast and it can kill an animal before any treatment can have affect.
I had never worked with this calf at all, and I decided out on grass was probably the cleanest place for him to be until some healing took place. He was so quiet, that he would let me spray his bloody stump of a tail with wound treatment, and I  would walk up and spray it on his tail at least a couple times a day. Once it looked like it was healed, I then weaned him. Despite losing his switch, some hair has grown back, but it took a very long time. It still doesn't look like a normal switch but it is better than I thought it would be at the time it happened.
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Re: One of our junior herd sires
« Reply #118 on: June 04, 2014, 12:43:52 AM »
I thought I would post a picture of our Free Spirit bull as he looks after a month of breeding cows on pasture. He was 3 year old in February and weighed 2508 lbs then. I am really pleased with how he is holding his condition on pasture after breeding most of the cows he is with. I think he is close to what a real beef bull is supposed to look like. He has tremendous thickness and length and is quite moderate framed. He has great feet and legs and excellent testicles ( 44 cm). After seeing his first calves here, we are using him extensively in our ET program and have already sold embryos sired  by him to Scotland and the US. So far, all his calves have been born unassisted and all have been in the 88-95 lb range. We have sold the European semen rights in Free Spirit to a group of breeders in Ireland. We have semen stored in the US at Hawkeye Breeders, in Iowa and in Canada at Alta Genetics and Eastgen in Ontario. Of all the bulls we have collected over the years, Free Spirit holds the record here of producing 1328 straws of excellent quality semen on his first collection.
Experience is what you get when you don't have it when you need it.

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Re: One of our junior herd sires
« Reply #119 on: June 04, 2014, 05:59:44 AM »
He looks really good Grant.
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