opinions on shorthorn cross steer

He is a Shorthorn Maintainer Cross, March 2012 calf, about 1020 lbs. Hes going to a late july fair. Opinions?

Looks real good-but with that kind of performance hes gonna be pretty big-whats the breeding? Love to have a hifer made like that to breed a smaller framed clubby deal to. O0

mark tenenbaum said:

Looks real good-but with that kind of performance hes gonna be pretty big-whats the breeding? Love to have a hifer made like that to breed a smaller framed clubby deal to. O0

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I thought the same thing at first, but then worked a little math.  He has about 120 days till the show, so at 3 pounds per day adg, he would be 1380 before any shrink.  He does look good, but how tall is he?  Seems like he might be a little large framed.

I think you could have him right on the money weight wise! He profiles nice, good structure but how powerful is he?

He looks like he is on track for your fair. He really does not look that tall, he does have some good length to him to him and some decent bone. How did he place at Bonanza? (recognize the background)

PDJ said:

mark tenenbaum said:

Looks real good-but with that kind of performance hes gonna be pretty big-whats the breeding? Love to have a hifer made like that to breed a smaller framed clubby deal to. O0

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I thought the same thing at first, but then worked a little math.  He has about 120 days till the show, so at 3 pounds per day adg, he would be 1380 before any shrink.  He does look good, but how tall is he?  Seems like he might be a little large framed.

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I'd be surprised if that calf averaged 3 pounds per day from now until the end of July... I don't think he'll get that big.

I really appreciate your calf.  He is the kind that I prefer.    I would use him over more moderate cattle.

Saying that, it is my opinion he may be too tall for some to use in your July show.

I see some growth indicators that to me expect him to gain more frame.

He is a good one.  Good luck to you!  Keep us informed next summer.

leanbeef said:

PDJ said:

mark tenenbaum said:

Looks real good-but with that kind of performance hes gonna be pretty big-whats the breeding? Love to have a hifer made like that to breed a smaller framed clubby deal to. O0

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I thought the same thing at first, but then worked a little math.  He has about 120 days till the show, so at 3 pounds per day adg, he would be 1380 before any shrink.  He does look good, but how tall is he?  Seems like he might be a little large framed.

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I'd be surprised if that calf averaged 3 pounds per day from now until the end of July... I don't think he'll get that big.

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You may be right. I was just looking at the kind of performance he had already shown, being 1020 at a year, and projected some performance hereafter.

vc said:

He looks like he is on track for your fair. He really does not look that tall, he does have some good length to him to him and some decent bone. How did he place at Bonanza? (recognize the background)

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He got 5th in a really competitiv class of 11 so pretty good! The best Ive ever done at Bonanza.

So responding to everyone's comments, he is pretty big framed and big boned compared to alot of the other steers going to my fair. He is pretty short, sort of short and squatty, but he makes the other steers that are his height in my 4-H look like narrow little things. He is not gaining 3 lbs a day, hes a really picky eater, I've finally got him on 12 lbs a day since about January, and hes gain about 1.5-2 lbs a day, which will put him at about 1250-1300 lbs at my fair, which is exactly where I want him. Hes right on the money weight wise, because my fair's limit is 1450 lbs. 

Does your county fair have rate of gain requirements?? I know ours you have to gain a minimum of 2.25 to get above a red ribbon.

12 pounds a day is not much ( a little over 1 percent), what are you feeding him? Yes, 5th at that show means you have a nice calf, usually the top half of the class are pretty competitive. The kid I am helping this year was second in his class with a county fair calf, you would have thought he got champion as happy as he was.

everybreedcounts said:

..."he is pretty big framed"...
"He is pretty short, sort of short and squatty..."

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This really doesn't make sense. Do you mean short bodied? How can he big "pretty big framed" and "squatty" at the same time? Those are complete opposites.

leanbeef said:

everybreedcounts said:

..."he is pretty big framed"...
"He is pretty short, sort of short and squatty..."

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This really doesn't make sense. Do you mean short bodied? How can he big "pretty big framed" and "squatty" at the same time? Those are complete opposites.

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hes big framed and long bodied but short in height, not in length

everybreedcounts said:

leanbeef said:

everybreedcounts said:

..."he is pretty big framed"...
"He is pretty short, sort of short and squatty..."

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This really doesn't make sense. Do you mean short bodied? How can he big "pretty big framed" and "squatty" at the same time? Those are complete opposites.

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hes big framed and long bodied but short in height, not in length

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Ok...frame = height. The definition of "frame size" in cattle is height relative to age.

leanbeef said:

everybreedcounts said:

leanbeef said:

everybreedcounts said:

..."he is pretty big framed"...
"He is pretty short, sort of short and squatty..."

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This really doesn't make sense. Do you mean short bodied? How can he big "pretty big framed" and "squatty" at the same time? Those are complete opposites.

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hes big framed and long bodied but short in height, not in length

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Ok...frame = height. The definition of "frame size" in cattle is height relative to age.

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i guess what i mean then is big boned then. not big framed

obie105 said:

Does your county fair have rate of gain requirements?? I know ours you have to gain a minimum of 2.25 to get above a red ribbon.

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no

vc said:

12 pounds a day is not much ( a little over 1 percent), what are you feeding him? Yes, 5th at that show means you have a nice calf, usually the top half of the class are pretty competitive. The kid I am helping this year was second in his class with a county fair calf, you would have thought he got champion as happy as he was.

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hes on Purina Finisher. and over the weekend I went to another show and he won reserve champ AOC but it was a much much smaller show

You mentioned Bonanza, are you showing this steer in Texas, and if so slick or hair?

It was the Western Bonanza put on by Cal Poly, in Paso Robles, CA.

The steer needs to be eating between 2-3 percent of his body weight a day to really reach his potential (20 to 30 pounds a day) You need to slowly work him up to that. The average conversion rate is 7 to 1, some calves do better some worse, at 12 pounds of grain plus hay at best you are going to be at 2 pounds a day.