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Re: Our senior herd sires for 2019
« Reply #15 on: June 27, 2019, 09:31:33 PM »
I agree completely.  We have to stay light on our feet.  I say 1250 but my perfect cow that I thought was a 4 and 1250 turned out to be 1390 on the day we weaned her calf at 720.  She stays at about the same flesh all year.

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Re: Our senior herd sires for 2019
« Reply #16 on: June 28, 2019, 12:24:05 PM »
My goal is a frame score 4 1250 pound cow that weans at least half her weight.  I have many that can do that.
//// TELL PHARO about those cows and make sure you admit they are all his idea-LOL O0 <rock>




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Re: Our senior herd sires for 2019
« Reply #17 on: June 28, 2019, 06:54:17 PM »
I have not talked to Kit in years, I do agree with what he thinks, I think he wants an 1100 pound cow.  The research done by Eric Mousel at South Dakota State University confirmed that the path I was on would be more profitable for me.  Also Kris Ringwal  at North Dakota reinforces Eric's findings.

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Re: Our senior herd sires for 2019
« Reply #18 on: June 28, 2019, 07:11:10 PM »
D. Dynamite 6D would be my choice!
Here are some Diamond Dynamite 6D yearling heifers. They were born April, May last year, mostly out of Angus x charolais or Angus x Shorthorn cows.
There are some nice purebred heifers by him as well. We are using a red son of 6D on a group of whites and light roan yearling heifers as well.
Dynamite's dam weighed 1400 lbs as a three year old weaning her second calf little late as we showed the pair. (pictured) The next photo is shortly after calving as a two year old with Dynamite and the next is of them at weaning.
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Re: Our senior herd sires for 2019
« Reply #19 on: June 28, 2019, 10:06:32 PM »
powerfull cow-Are the  Shorthorn  x char -angus cross 2 heifers in the foreground of the 4 pictured?-the closest one in front with her head down is my favorite of the whole post other than dynomites dam

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Re: Our senior herd sires for 2019
« Reply #20 on: June 29, 2019, 12:22:30 AM »
nice cows!  O0

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Re: Our senior herd sires for 2019
« Reply #21 on: June 29, 2019, 07:42:08 AM »
Looks like to me that a cow that is just big enough to raise a calf that is big enough for the packers would be a nice size. And if you want to get really crazy.......animal science common sense crazy....have a moderate cow bred to a terminal trait bull. Why in the world Angus or Shorthorn people would want 1500 pound cows is beyond me. I guess that if the average cow herd size is 5o head or less...they can't use this crossbreeding system though.......so it doesn't matter I guess.
People can't believe we have such a big moon for such a small town.

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Re: Our senior herd sires for 2019
« Reply #22 on: June 29, 2019, 09:21:30 AM »
Is Diamond Belvedere 29B semen available in the states?  Did they ever get the Australian data into digital beef?

I ran my yearling Lord Belmore son on some heifers this spring. He's sure looking the part.

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Re: Our senior herd sires for 2019
« Reply #23 on: June 29, 2019, 04:05:35 PM »
D. Dynamite 6D would be my choice!
Here are some Diamond Dynamite 6D yearling heifers. They were born April, May last year, mostly out of Angus x charolais or Angus x Shorthorn cows.
There are some nice purebred heifers by him as well. We are using a red son of 6D on a group of whites and light roan yearling heifers as well.
Dynamite's dam weighed 1400 lbs as a three year old weaning her second calf little late as we showed the pair. (pictured) The next photo is shortly after calving as a two year old with Dynamite and the next is of them at weaning.
The third picture really tells the story. The wean size is amazing!
Superb bunch of x-bred heifers. Very even Shorthorn look, considering they have Charolais about them!

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Re: Our senior herd sires for 2019
« Reply #24 on: June 30, 2019, 11:36:13 PM »
Looks like to me that a cow that is just big enough to raise a calf that is big enough for the packers would be a nice size. And if you want to get really crazy.......animal science common sense crazy....have a moderate cow bred to a terminal trait bull. Why in the world Angus or Shorthorn people would want 1500 pound cows is beyond me. I guess that if the average cow herd size is 5o head or less...they can't use this crossbreeding system though.......so it doesn't matter I guess.
They did it with broiler chickens...and this article about salmon is a bit scary! Not sure a regular breeder lives long enough to create "the perfect profitable cow" for all environments
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-first-genetically-modified-animals-approved-for-us-consumption-are-here-2019-06-21?fbclid=IwAR3rW7i8E8zDV6vz3qwAQQqBaAi5y9VzaI5OWJniTQRZoW5M4o65vrQLM00

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Re: Our senior herd sires for 2019
« Reply #25 on: July 01, 2019, 07:35:51 PM »
There is research out there supporting the claims that you can regulate mature size by controlling feed intake through heifer development while still getting healthy calves out of 2 year old heifers. So maybe instead of focusing on breeding the performance out of our cattle, we need to focus on finding that balance point between feeding for physiological development and physical development. I believe you can have cows with the genetic potential of 1500-1600lb mature weights but actual mature weights of 1400-1450lbs.

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Re: Our senior herd sires for 2019
« Reply #26 on: July 02, 2019, 07:52:53 AM »
As far as "breeding performance out of cattle" is concerned......  Stayability is performance. Producing a calf every year without a pickup load of artificial protein supplements is performance. If I am feeding cattle in the feedlot or selling protein supplements to the cow-calf guy....i would love the 1500 pound cow. The calves gain better in the feedlot.
People can't believe we have such a big moon for such a small town.

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Re: Our senior herd sires for 2019
« Reply #27 on: July 02, 2019, 06:38:31 PM »
THATS right-and they can have a big calf if it happens-that will wean of weighing more than the others and yield more pounds in the end O0

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Re: Our senior herd sires for 2019
« Reply #28 on: July 02, 2019, 10:54:36 PM »
powerfull cow-Are the  Shorthorn  x char -angus cross 2 heifers in the foreground of the 4 pictured?-the closest one in front with her head down is my favorite of the whole post other than dynomites dam
I got it a bit wrong Mark. The front heifer does have a little Charolais in her but it's away back. Her dam was a Shorthorn x Angus with a bit of Charolais. The other heifers are out of Shorthorn Angus or Angus cows.

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Re: Our senior herd sires for 2019
« Reply #29 on: July 02, 2019, 11:30:27 PM »
One of our junior herd sires this year is Hatfield Bingo 2F.

 

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