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wowcows

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I don't know if this is where I should open this can of worms but...... How long is reasonable to wait on papers on cattle that you have bought priviately from a breeder? I am saying that 6 months is plenty of time for anyone to get their act together.
Can't show 'em, hard to flush 'em, Just good cows you can say they are this or that without 'em!
 

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wowcows said:
I don't know if this is where I should open this can of worms but...... How long is reasonable to wait on papers on cattle that you have bought priviately from a breeder? I am saying that 6 months is plenty of time for anyone to get their act together.
Can't show 'em, hard to flush 'em, Just good cows you can say they are this or that without 'em!

call the association.  perhaps get some dna on them too.

personally, what i would like to see is an arbitration process where the papers are transferred if a receipt is available and the association bills the previous owner.  of course that could allow some abuse.  for animals in auctions that change hands, i don't really see a problem with doing that.  the problem with delaying things like this is that the transfer price goes up if you don't transfer papers within a certain time frame.  so there already is a "penalty" to do the right thing. 

maybe there should be a karma point system for membership and when you get so many negative alerts, something happens.
 

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6 months is more than a reasonable amount of time.  Accuracy on the papers, and getting them transferred in a timely fashion is part of the responsibility breeders assumes when dealing with registered animals.  And that counts for any species.
 

lucysmom

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Sounds like a problem we had two or three years ago on a maintainer heifer. Bought her at auction and 4 moonths later no papers after
repeated calls. Had to contact the association,etc.  Finally got papers on her after 6 months. Hang in there and be persistent.
 

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Yes, some breeders are prompt about cashing your check but will take forever and a day to transfer papers.  I usually wait a couple of months and then start calling the seller, the sellers wife and whoever else I can call.  They usually get them out pretty quick unless they owe the association money and that is another story.  Good luck.
 

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Sounds like the same thing we went through with out Maine Anjou Jazz bull son, called tons of times said they would send them, waited and waited called and called nothing, after two years the seller told us they were selling the bull for someone else and they would call the actual breeder. Waited six weeks and got the papers i was not a happy person.
 

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I bought a calf at a sale back in the middle of April and another one the first of May. Haven't got papers on either one. Idk about other breeds, but we can print papers off of our online herdbook. Their not official but they have all the info you need to know. I'll use those to jackpot around in the summer bc everybody in my area knows me, and I can get by with them. Ownership deadline for the majors in TX is Dec' 1st so I won't start bugging the breeder until  about Oct'
 

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Now if this is a funny one!  Maybe he is reading this website too?
The guy showed up at the house last night. Promised he would get it together. I just don't understand why it is so hard to just play by the rules. This puts a really bad taste in my mouth and makes me wonder if I want to ever buy any more registered cattle. Been in the business most of my life and never had someone pull this! Most of the time I just go to the office after a transaction and do the paper work right then and there and it is over. I hate it to start with but it is part of doing business I thought.
 

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Shouldn't have to bug them!
I know I am not the only one in such a boat but at this point and time all we have is some high $$$$$ commerical cattle. AND the check cleared months ago!
 

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We have a Maine steer this year who has now been shown 7 times as a crossbred so i feel your pain. My new thoughts on this for the future are paying all but $250 of the purchase price upon pick up and the rest when the papers make it to my mailbox.If the breeder doesn't like this arrangement then I'll be taking my $ elsewhere.
 

M-n-M Cattle Company

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We have had the same problem this year. We bought a fairly popular shorthorn donor in dec. and still don't have papers. And the seller told me that the papers were transfered so I went ahead and flushed believing that the papers where in the mail. Guess what over 20 freezable eggs in the tank at Trans-ova that are not mine.
 

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I am assuming you have a canceled check or bill of sale on the donor you bought. If you do, you need to contact the association and inquire about the "transfer", and then trans ova, and pick up YOUR embryos ASAP.
If not, well, the ocean isn't full of lawyers yet, and word of mouth is a terrific incentive!!

Good Luck
 

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i think associations should come up with some sort of buyer initiated papers for the buyer until the seller transfers papers that allows the buyer to put pressure for the paper trail to be completed.  the rules seem set up to favor the seller and don't offer enough protection to the person who no longer has their money.

the association could call sellers, put accounts on hold etc, something to protect buyers.  sellers need to be under some sort of good standing pressure that has some weight.

it sure seems like money has a habit of slowing things down after it leaves the buyers hands.
 

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I had this happen a few years ago on a bull I purchased.  It took about a little over a year to get the papers.  I had left messages for the breeder over and over.  The funny thing is the seller was motivated by the fact that he was trying to sell next year's calves.  So he called to see if I had any interest.  I visited, looked them over, and strung him along on the next year's calves long enough to get my papers and haven't talked to him again.  Any breeder out there that thinks the lack of interaction and responsiveness doesn't hurt their business is kidding themselves.
 

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forcheyhawk said:
Any breeder out there that thinks the lack of interaction and responsiveness doesn't hurt their business is kidding themselves.

what is the definition of a good breeder?
 

forcheyhawk

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I honestly don't know.  That's subjective.  My definition of a good breeder would be one that does what he says he's going to do when he says that he's going to do it.  Also, I would think that a good breeder would follow up, honor his word, stand by his cattle, and generally be an advocate of the entire industry.  However, my view of a good breeder may be different than someone else's.  At the end of the day, it only matters what I think when I'm purchasing your cattle.  ;D
 
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