PETA is at it again!!

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Simmgal

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RidinHeifer said:
SeannyT said:
You think that's ridiculous? Look what we're having to deal with in Manitoba.  :-\

http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/Canada/20120215/dead-cows-roadside-memorial-manitoba-120215/
They tried to get one or two in Illinois too, but our state legislature did something right for a change and shut them down...they used the excuse that since the cows didn't have family they would be like really close friends.
Maybe it's just me, or is there something ironic about the words, "killed on the way to slaughter"?
 

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And also: "in memory of 71 cows"

Most likely the animals that were headed to slaughter were steers...unless they were pound cows. Would they be expected to know the difference?
 

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My point is (sorry about the soapbox again) the PETA folks have their agenda down pat. They have enough members and dollars to make the politicians sit up and beg. They also have leadership that knows how to use their money and numbers to get their message out. This fight isn't about whether we use cages for chickens, crates for sows , confinement buildings or anything like that. THEY WANT US OUT OF BUSINESS- PERIOD- END OF DISCUSION  And I truly believe they think the government will provide for them.

They absolutely believe that the government will do what ever it takes to provide for everyone, and they relish the time when we are out of business and our land, well it will just sit there in OPEN SPACE because we need that so we can remember when our country was the greatest food producer in the world. These people need to get a job and do something with their time other than tell us what a bunch of horrible people we are for murdering and maiming poor defenseless animals!! Yes I know that is a little dramatic but it is the truth!!
 

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I remember reading somewhere the average PETA member is a 26 y.o. single female with an average income of 85k. I also read the average American is 3 generations off the farm. So with this in mind , imagine this persons thoughts on Ag issues. If you they can't  even raise a good tomato plant, how can we expect them to know anything about us. Then throw the latest trend of "vegan" and vegetarian that really screws things up. Personally I talk to them like they have no knowledge about any Ag issue ( which they don"t). A 15 y.o. country kid has twice the knowledge that they have.
 

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Sounds like some single cowboys ought to get busy. Guaranteed excess of women.

Probably a higher % of females there than the horse unit.
 

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Wouldn't it be awesome if we (food producers) could all just stop producing food for one year (only enough for our families) and see what would happen. Or just ship everything overseas.  They might start little "community gardens" but I doubt the gardens would get them through the winter. I doubt they are smart enough to come to a solution, it'd be an interesting little experiment.
 

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oakie said:
Wouldn't it be awesome if we (food producers) could all just stop producing food for one year (only enough for our families) and see what would happen. Or just ship everything overseas.  They might start little "community gardens" but I doubt the gardens would get them through the winter. I doubt they are smart enough to come to a solution, it'd be an interesting little experiment.

could they live off of noodles in a box? 

Do you think they would wonder why the milk that comes from a store would stop coming?

 

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wouldn't it be an interesting experiment though? I've always wondered what would happen. I think they'd be eating their pets by the time the year was up. Too bad we can't control the imports as well, and basically starve out the tree huggers. We'd have to come up with a system where people in support of ag could still survive though......
 

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anyone hear of the new law in iowa regarding the making it illegal to falsify a job app to gain access to a CAFO facility to record, note, or release animals that are believed to be 'inhumane'?
 

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Turn a Blind Eye (Requested) said:
anyone hear of the new law in iowa regarding the making it illegal to falsify a job app to gain access to a CAFO facility to record, note, or release animals that are believed to be 'inhumane'?

yup.  a while ago.  probably not a deterrent for these people. it would probably be a badge of honor for them.

hopefully it's a felony.  probably get downgraded in court though too.
 

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My wife and I had a discussion awhile ago on what would happen if the economy collapsed. I told it had been a while since I've had to butcher, but I could do it. It's been awhile since I've done alot of things our ancesters way, but the memories will come back. But these people have never done anything like that. They've never sat and listened to stories aboiut how to "get by with nothing". If it finally falls down around their ears ,they'll never think twice about trying to take what they need from someone else- they try to legeslate it every day. Now excuse me while I load my shotgun and lock the bombshelter door.
 

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bruiser said:
My wife and I had a discussion awhile ago on what would happen if the economy collapsed. I told it had been a while since I've had to butcher, but I could do it. It's been awhile since I've done alot of things our ancesters way, but the memories will come back. But these people have never done anything like that. They've never sat and listened to stories aboiut how to "get by with nothing". If it finally falls down around their ears ,they'll never think twice about trying to take what they need from someone else- they try to legeslate it every day. Now excuse me while I load my shotgun and lock the bombshelter door.

It's a good thing they are anti-gun ;D
 

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There's many practices within the ag industry that Needa be reformed- Things like farrowing pens, tie-barns, enclosed indoor feedlots with cattle standing in shitt up to their chest and ammonia levels so high they'll give ya an immediate headache when ya walk in, countless poultry practices, and so forth do nothing but provide fuel for their fire. I've raised cattle all my life- with that said I think extremist at both ends of the spectrum are essential for moderate ground to be established. 
 

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Chandler said:
There's many practices within the ag industry that Needa be reformed- Things like farrowing pens, tie-barns, enclosed indoor feedlots with cattle standing in ****t up to their chest and ammonia levels so high they'll give ya an immediate headache when ya walk in, countless poultry practices, and so forth do nothing but provide fuel for their fire. I've raised cattle all my life- with that said I think extremist at both ends of the spectrum are essential for moderate ground to be established.   

Uh... so you won't mind if I tell the DFW news that you bash your calves heads in for fun.  Or I could report that there has been a high percentage of E-coli 0157 H7 in hamburger processed from your herd.  I highly doubt you see anything positive result from it.

I prefer honest debate of facts.  Extreme agendas that use false information to alter perception provide nothing beneficial for an industry, person, or individual business. 
 

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commercialfarmer said:
Chandler said:
There's many practices within the ag industry that Needa be reformed- Things like farrowing pens, tie-barns, enclosed indoor feedlots with cattle standing in ****t up to their chest and ammonia levels so high they'll give ya an immediate headache when ya walk in, countless poultry practices, and so forth do nothing but provide fuel for their fire. I've raised cattle all my life- with that said I think extremist at both ends of the spectrum are essential for moderate ground to be established.   

Uh... so you won't mind if I tell the DFW news that you bash your calves heads in for fun.  Or I could report that there has been a high percentage of E-coli 0157 H7 in hamburger processed from your herd.  I highly doubt you see anything positive result from it.

I prefer honest debate of facts.  Extreme agendas that use false information to alter perception provide nothing beneficial for an industry, person, or individual business. 

The practices I mentioned are real and need to be addressed; yours are false and unfounded.  Just as in politics, there are the extremist liberal dems and then there's the bible thumping conservative repubs.  Most don't fall into either category, rather most identify as both fiscal and social moderates.  While both extremes exist,  reasonably minded rationally thinking individuals realize that the TRUTH lies in the middle.
 

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Chandler - many large companies are steering away from farrowing pens (mainly because of these groups).  What I remember about farrowing outside or open pens was sows exposed to the elements, and a high death rate with the pigs (mainly from getting stepped on or laid on by mamma).  This is just one example of change which isn't necessarily bad but is deffinitely going to cost more for the consumer!  There are bad eggs in the ag sector but most care very much about the animals they take care of 365 days of the year (it's their way of life).  I suppose one could have gone to Texas during the past year and videoed lots of skin and bone cows or seen skinny cows belly deep in a mud hole trying to get some water and put it on TV talking about animal abuse.  My point is the industry hasn't and will never benefit from these groups, they don't care about the animals - that's just how they get people to support them.  These groups are not dumb they are brilliant at what they do, the objective for them isn't to get all cows and pigs on grass in the sun, it's to get rid of the pigs, cows, etc.  There are lots of things on any farm that could be videoed and twisted around and displayed to a public that has no rational line of thinking about where their food comes from!  

ONe thing I like about PETA is hey everybody knows it is animal rights with some crazies in it.  But there are several other of these groups that are lots bigger than PETA (HSUS) and are alot less known (as far as their true dealings -wolves in sheep clothing).  These groups aren't going to stop until every last cattle, hog, chicken, turkey, dogs, cats, etc. operation or owners are no longer (obsolete is the goal)! :eek:

Maybe PETA should look into club calf calving ease?
 

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nate53 said:
Chandler - many large companies are steering away from farrowing pens (mainly because of these groups).   My point is the industry hasn't and will never benefit from these groups,


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