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Offline frostback

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Re: Planned C-sections
« Reply #60 on: April 14, 2012, 09:55:36 AM »
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Re: Planned C-sections
« Reply #61 on: April 14, 2012, 12:46:44 PM »
I did a herd tour, not more than a month ago in MO-- a place that gets spoke of on here time to time, and has really begun getting their peice of the pie in the last 2 or 3 years in terms of selling bulls...

and I quote;  'Oops, I shouldn't have brought you down to this corner of the pasture- there lies our last cow who was delivering a backwards calf.  B/c of the distance from any corner of the pasture to the corral, and the lack of a chute in every corral- we don't worry about those cows that are having trouble calving-- if they can't do it-- we'd just as soon shoot the cow as opposed to pull that calf...  but then again- I'm sure you have seen dead cows before"    and on went the tour.

This is not the only case of such an incident-- this is just the only case of a incident that anyone on here would recognize the producer's name.  I bet less than 10% of the cattle people in the county I grew up in- have ever heard of a c-section- let alone thought of doing one.  I think last time i checked- that county ranked in the top 10 in our state for number of cattle. 

Maybe the great show folk of steerplanet need to wake up and realize the cattle industry isn't all pampering and roses and doing 'what's right'.  The cost of a lead slug is far cheaper and easier than that of a vet call, c-Section, or the time it's going to take to round that wild ass cow up from a 200 acre pasture.  So what if you can't sell her- it's going to be forever before the weight loss from stress, stitches, and withdrawl times- heal up and clear away anyways.  To most people, it's about profit-- and dollars and cents.

THIS IS WHAT I LOVE. WHEN YOU ARE BACKED IN A CORNER AND MADE TO LOOK LIKE AN ASS ITS "THOSE SHOW FOLK" WELL TAKE A LITTLE READ BELOW


What size of panty hose do you wear? control top or .....because by the list of post below you seem to answer all the "show calf" questions as if you are a resource and have show cattle. Yes, I get bored in airports and kill time doing cool stuff like this.


As evidence by

1- Steer Planet Chat / The Big Show / Re: Weaning Show Calves          on: April 10, 2012, 08:14:26 AM

Jody
yes 2 weeks of age.
So you wean your show calves at 2 weeks really YOUR show calves


2- Steer Planet Chat / The Big Show / Re: Rodgers' vs. Lautner's vs. Trausch's - Best Yearling Bulls Poll
on: April 10, 2012, 06:16:57 PM
Quote from: Zach on April 10, 2012, 05:37:48 PM

Jody
From the looks of it, It's all RCC.
How many of lautners bulls are never heard of again after Denver because they put out 15 a year? Seems like 5 or so would be ideal for promotion and would actually warrant heavier use.

would you say "it's goal is to be a monopoly" and cover every base... 

maybe it takes that many to truly find a good one?

Look at Roger's-- one of his 6 is dead already-- and hasn't even been mated to a cow yet
So you are reading the blogs for show cattle ?

3- Steer Planet Chat / The Big Show / Re: BIM vs. Walks Alone...
on: April 08, 2012, 06:29:02 PM

Jody
how odd that 2 crossed up, clubby.. full brothers-- breed so differently.
And how would you know? YOu don't breed show cattle. You are a survivalist and don't associate with show cattle people. So how valid is your assessment?


4-Steer Planet Chat / The Big Show / Re: Breeding Suggestions for this Sim/Angus cow?

Jody
You must have not been in the game very long if you think WMW is known for his heifers... It just happens that he's the only one that can produce a heifer-- and her be valuable.  in his prime time-- he was no different than heatwave=-= steers, steers, steers... then all of a sudden, he made some killer heifer somewhere (likely hte wagonhammer harrietta cow), and wam bam--- he started getting bred to maternal cows for heifers-- that's the only difference. 

I suspect that when the HW semen starts getting rare-- we'll all be seeing where he's siring all these great daughters as well-- give it 5 or 8 years
Here once again, resource on breeding Who Made Who and Heat Wave? Those for certain are show cattle genetics. You don't do "show cattle".


so which is it Jody you have show cattle or not. When you are in trouble and WRONG screw show cattle but you seem to offer SOOOO much advice on show cattle genetics and know absolutely NOTHING about them.


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Re: Planned C-sections
« Reply #62 on: April 14, 2012, 12:59:17 PM »
no there is a difference b/w showing good breeding cattle. and breeding good show cattle.

also a difference b/w raising 'show' cattle the right way, and raising them like a bunch of poodles.

maybe it takes a solid commercial herd- to support piddly show ring thoughts?
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Re: Planned C-sections
« Reply #63 on: April 14, 2012, 01:29:59 PM »


Maybe the great show folk of steerplanet need to wake up and realize the cattle industry isn't all pampering and roses and doing 'what's right'.  The cost of a lead slug is far cheaper and easier than that of a vet call, c-Section, or the time it's going to take to round that wild ass cow up from a 200 acre pasture.  So what if you can't sell her- it's going to be forever before the weight loss from stress, stitches, and withdrawl times- heal up and clear away anyways.  To most people, it's about profit-- and dollars and cents.

There is a saying in the dog training world that goes something like this -"A handler gets the dog s/he deserves" - I believe it is apropos for cattle - if you can't round up your "wild ass cow" then you certainly have the cattle your deserve and the problem is a human issue not a cow issue -

And you bet - a dead cow with a dead calf is sure a money maker - especially with the current price of cattle

I am with you doc - even felons is prison would not find feed grasses herd a place to go
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Re: Planned C-sections
« Reply #64 on: April 14, 2012, 03:52:35 PM »
no there is a difference b/w showing good breeding cattle. and breeding good show cattle.

also a difference b/w raising 'show' cattle the right way, and raising them like a bunch of poodles.

maybe it takes a solid commercial herd- to support piddly show ring thoughts?
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Re: Planned C-sections
« Reply #65 on: April 14, 2012, 03:57:06 PM »
This thread worries me, not because of the bickering, but because how it would allow uninformed consumers to view what it is we do.  I am fully aware that C-Sections happen in every realm of raising cattle- be it commercial, seed stock &/or show cattle; things happen, genetics don't complement like we think they should, environment plays dirty tricks on us, or bad luck simply decided to find us that day. That being said, as a producer that is trying to raise the best product possible for my customer (be it ones wanting live cattle or someone at the local locker buying that days supper), the care and well being of my stock is of the utmost importance to me. I've learned that if you take care of your animals, they will in turn take care of you.To those that believe in the 'survival of the fittest', I firmly believe that is NOT a good way to advertise your efforts as a producer, let alone a good way to advertise for the INDUSTRY. I also realize that there are those people out there that are trying to make their living utilizing the 'low input, high efficiency' type cattle, however, that doesn't mean you still do not have to check on the well being of those cattle or make their health and comfort a lower priority on your list!! If you have livestock of ANY sort, you MUST realize that you automatically assume the position as a mode of advertising for animal agriculture-- I ask you to please use common sense, there are people that look at this board that are not involved in the industry first hand & I don't believe that we need any more negativity thrown towards us than what we're already facing as a whole.

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Re: Planned C-sections
« Reply #66 on: April 14, 2012, 05:16:12 PM »
Oops, I shouldn't have brought you down to this corner of the pasture- there lies our last cow who was delivering a backwards calf.  B/c of the distance from any corner of the pasture to the corral, and the lack of a chute in every corral- we don't worry about those cows that are having trouble calving-- if they can't do it-- we'd just as soon shoot the cow as opposed to pull that calf...  but then again- I'm sure you have seen dead cows before"    and on went the tour.

That is about the craziest thing I have ever heard. Instead of maybe straightening a leg out so a cow could maybe even have the calf herself, they would rather shoot her and waste $2000 or more value. That is about the worst business decision I have heard of, not to mention in my book kinda inhumane.

Maybe the great show folk of steerplanet need to wake up and realize the cattle industry isn't all pampering and roses and doing 'what's right'.  The cost of a lead slug is far cheaper and easier than that of a vet call, c-Section, or the time it's going to take to round that wild ass cow up from a 200 acre pasture.  So what if you can't sell her- it's going to be forever before the weight loss from stress, stitches, and withdrawl times- heal up and clear away anyways.  To most people, it's about profit-- and dollars and cents.

Yea, you're right to shoot one is a lot easier. But nobody told me that when raising cattle or any livestock, that you got to always do what is easiet. You are right, to most people it is about profit. And even with say a $500 vet bill , the profit margin is a lot better on that cow when you either finally take her to the yards or she raises next years calf than to shoot her and even possibly have to pay someone to dig a hole to bury her in.
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Re: Planned C-sections
« Reply #67 on: April 14, 2012, 10:06:16 PM »
Wow! I leave a few days and wonderboy shows back up.  Guess we all need to take the advise of not feeding trolls. 

Commercial cowman here.  Raising commercial cattle in the wild west.  There are times that you need a vet.  Pairs right now are bringing 2250, calves were contracted at $1.84.  To me it makes sense to save the calf.  Salvage on a cow will cover the vet bill. 

One pasture is over 1000 acres.  I have had a vet do a C-Section on the end of a rope.  Calf was upside down and backwards first and only one that has ever come that way that I know of. 



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Re: Planned C-sections
« Reply #68 on: April 14, 2012, 11:48:38 PM »
As far as I am concerned a good stockman has a duty to be concerned about the well being and/or suffering of his animals. If you don't you should probably take up vegetable gardening.
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« Reply #69 on: April 15, 2012, 01:31:43 PM »
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Re: Planned C-sections
« Reply #70 on: April 16, 2012, 10:48:00 AM »
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« Reply #71 on: April 16, 2012, 11:00:06 AM »
Well just got in from the barn, c-section went great! Healthy bull calf, weighed in at 95lbs. A lil smaller than all the vets guessed but a c-section was still the best option. I will post pics later tonight. Thanks for all the advice, having an idea of what to expect made the process alot easier to deal with.

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« Reply #72 on: April 16, 2012, 11:26:27 AM »
Glad to hear it. Thanks for the update. ;D (clapping)

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Re: Planned C-sections
« Reply #73 on: April 16, 2012, 02:21:46 PM »
Thanks for the update, can't wait to see pictures.

Much better than some of the gloomy predictions.....

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Re: Planned C-sections
« Reply #74 on: April 16, 2012, 03:01:54 PM »
I think the Shorthorn breed could use an epd system of determining c-section frequency in their data.
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