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Possible donor cow
« on: January 25, 2017, 08:27:17 PM »
I'm thinking about flushing my cow, she's an April 2010 cow sired by Homedale Blizzard 820 out of an HF Rimpro cow. She's still as sound as a cat, holds her condition better than any other cow in the herd, and she consistently produces the best calf of the group while rebreeding quickly. Would you flush her? If so, which sire(s) would you use? The goal is to produce nice purebred replacement females because she has always given us bull calves and I'd hate to lose this line. She's given us 3 pretty nice calves out of Homedale Creole 135, but I'm curious about other options?

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Re: Possible donor cow
« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2017, 02:20:23 AM »
NBS Lowrider for a lot of reasons and the calves shouldnt be that big-or of the Red Reward sons -they will add some thickness and depth of body-REWARDS will continue low BWS with great  epds-and JMO-will really work on that type of pedigree-Steve French has semen on Low Rider and a very good Reward called final four. Bollums cattle can be bred somewhat similar-thats what they are doing-and it really seems to work. O0

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Re: Possible donor cow
« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2017, 03:35:32 AM »
Kane captain would be great his sire was just picked up by select sires and is great for low bw and high milk/ maternal. On the bottom side,red reward out of older aegeter breeding. function is bred in! I think I will be using the bull come next fall on a few cows.
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Re: Possible donor cow
« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2017, 03:27:14 PM »
I don't know that I want to get that close to Maine. I do like the look of the red rewards/red demands, but I've heard some people having issues getting them bred to calve at 2 without extra feed. How about just using JSF Goldenrod rather than KANE Captain? Low Rider looks interesting, and I do like the looks of his calves. Does anyone have experience with Low Rider daughters as cows?

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Re: Possible donor cow
« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2017, 07:07:43 PM »
If line breeding to a 9590/Blizzard combo via 135 is working well, why not dip back into those same lines?

Unless the bw scares you, TM Gus would bring 80c back into the picture. Is 9590 semen available?

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Re: Possible donor cow
« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2017, 02:24:36 AM »
Shortybreeder,  I have some hesitation with the red rewards so, goldenrod would be a good possibility.   Two other bulls may be kaper 4508 and muridale robert ( if he's been collected?).

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Re: Possible donor cow
« Reply #6 on: January 27, 2017, 04:54:53 AM »
The low rider calves I saw at WHR were very odd looking animals. More similar in their design to sheep than functional beef cattle.  I also have no interest in any of the 'Red (fill in the blank).'  If functional beef cattle are your forte, JSF Goldenrod is a fine bull. I bought a Goldenrod daughter from SBR in the Durham nation sale sale a cpl years ago and she has turned out to be a really nice cow.  Perhaps more milk than what I need but a good solid producer nonetheless.  Robert 35U would be another option that should really add some capacity as well.
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Re: Possible donor cow
« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2017, 02:38:40 PM »
Low Riders look like sheep?  Please elaborate.  Were they too short coupled, small framed, too large framed, too round muscled, lacked any muscle?  How would you fix them to make them more "functional?"  Or were they just too "show type?"  We had a heifer many years ago my twin grandsons called "sheep-cow."  It was not because she looked like a sheep.  They were not quite 2 years old and didn't know cattle could be white. 

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Re: Possible donor cow
« Reply #8 on: January 27, 2017, 03:34:28 PM »
I can get ahold of 9590 semen, do you guys think he is better than 135? 135 has the better EPD's, but his accuracies are a crap-shoot. Muridale Robert 35U doesn't have any progeny in the US books, and I found him in the Canadian registry but I can't figure out how to search for his progeny. TM Gus is an interesting choice. What about just using 80C himself because it looks like TM Gus's BW issue comes from his dam.

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Re: Possible donor cow
« Reply #9 on: January 27, 2017, 04:56:09 PM »
80C is going to reduce body capacity and add leg,, the opposite of what I would suggest for your cow.

Low Riders look like sheep?  Please elaborate.  Were they too short coupled, small framed, too large framed, too round muscled, lacked any muscle?  How would you fix them to make them more "functional?"  Or were they just too "show type?"  We had a heifer many years ago my twin grandsons called "sheep-cow."  It was not because she looked like a sheep.  They were not quite 2 years old and didn't know cattle could be white. 

I did not say all low riders look like sheep. I said the skeletal design of the ones I saw did.  To elaborate, if they were to walk behind a sheet,, their silhouette would be more similar to the 2nd picture I've attached than to the 3rd.
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Re: Possible donor cow
« Reply #10 on: January 27, 2017, 05:04:54 PM »
I agree with Ryan on 80C big time. The females we have with his influence are okay, but he took a lot of body out of them and our cow herd are fairly uniformly big bodied cattle. I will say he improved udders, but all of the cows we have with him up close in pedigrees are destined to either be recips or culls.

I think that there are quite a few bulls from JSF that could work for you now that he's got away from JPJ a bit.
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Re: Possible donor cow
« Reply #11 on: January 27, 2017, 07:48:48 PM »
Look at bulls from programmes with depth to their pedigrees, like Kaper, Y Lazy Y, Haumont and Waukaru, amongst others in the US, and a long list from Canada.
You know what you will get!
It looks like the cow could do with a bit of hindquarter, in my opinion, from the picture.

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Re: Possible donor cow
« Reply #12 on: January 27, 2017, 09:47:06 PM »
Kane captain would be great his sire was just picked up by select sires and is great for low bw and high milk/ maternal. On the bottom side,red reward out of older aegeter breeding. function is bred in! I think I will be using the bull come next fall on a few cows./// Id like to see some of the calves-Ive heard conflicting opinions-but Im all in on his pedigree. I dont see that cow being thick enough or have the look to flush without something very stout in the background-and the captain bull has alot of good older blood thick ones back there-along with the reds-and if I can remember right some Keith Lauer (Red Demands dam) which have to be some of the most coveted cattle to change both Sullivans and Jungles operations. The Real World CE on him is going to certainely be better than some of the Canadian bulls-AND a few of the Waukaru cattle.

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Re: Possible donor cow
« Reply #13 on: January 27, 2017, 09:51:47 PM »
Look at bulls from programmes with depth to their pedigrees, like Kaper, Y Lazy Y, Haumont and Waukaru, amongst others in the US, and a long list from Canada.
You know what you will get!
It looks like the cow could do with a bit of hindquarter, in my opinion, from the picture./// And thats WHAT YOU WONT GET GET out of some of the above O0

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Re: Possible donor cow
« Reply #14 on: January 27, 2017, 10:11:51 PM »
Yeah I'd be surprised if any Y lazy Y or Waukaru bulls added any rear quarter. I've also got it on good confidence that Dover wouldn't do much for you in terms of body. But those cows will work hard and do their best every year.

I'd probably look into using some 034 or something with Eagle 148 in their pedigree too.
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