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Re: Possible donor cow
« Reply #15 on: January 27, 2017, 10:31:54 PM »
So the Low Riders lack depth, volume, and substance in your opinion?  There's plenty of sheep out there that resemble the beef caricature more than the extreme show lamb depicted.  Huge differences at each end of the spectrum in every species. 

If your goal is what you stated, to produce a group of replacement females, then I wouldn't worry too much about muscle.  I'm reading into your post that you like your cow and want several more like her.  If you like the Creole 135 calves, can you not reverse sort semen to increase odds of getting females in a flush?  It seems as though I've heard a few people talking about this.  Perhaps keeping a son of him out of this cow would be the easiest, most convenient way to spread her influence.  The Eagle 148's have been about as consistent for adding muscle through the generations as any line I've seen.

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Re: Possible donor cow
« Reply #16 on: January 27, 2017, 11:33:09 PM »
If your goal is what you stated, to produce a group of replacement females, then I wouldn't worry too much about muscle.  I'm reading into your post that you like your cow and want several more like her.  If you like the Creole 135 calves, can you not reverse sort semen to increase odds of getting females in a flush?  It seems as though I've heard a few people talking about this.  Perhaps keeping a son of him out of this cow would be the easiest, most convenient way to spread her influence.  The Eagle 148's have been about as consistent for adding muscle through the generations as any line I've seen.
I have thought about using her current 135 son that I am raising via AI to spread her influence, but I've only got 4 registered cows right now. One of them is a 135, and the other is this cow, so it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to go through the work of getting him collected and tested to just use him on 2 cows. I do however have about a dozen commercial recips, which is why I am looking at flushing as a way to propagate more of her genetics. I know my cattle need more muscle, but maybe that's something I can look at adding in the next generation? My focus here is to get a strong maternal base herd that will be low input, high fertility cows with mating flexibility. I'll post a pic of a potential sire in the next post, you guys can tell me what you think. He's got Mr Gus 80C 3 generations back, and The Grove Kookaburra 2 generations back.

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Re: Possible donor cow
« Reply #17 on: January 27, 2017, 11:37:45 PM »
Thoughts on the phenotype? Mostly Australian blood with a little Canadian/American influence from Gus and Cruickshank.

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Re: Possible donor cow
« Reply #18 on: January 28, 2017, 12:12:10 AM »
Hes got the Canadian easy fleshing look which is what that cow needs jmo-do his sire or dam go back to the leader 21st  Kinnabar Leader,Oakwood whatever? etc old blood? Hes got more butt than alot of the bulls I see made like him-as long as the bws are within reason hes definitely thicker than some of the ones mentioned. There are a couple straws for sale (sp classified) on the rare Muridale Buster 14K light roan bull-very little left on him O0
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Re: Possible donor cow
« Reply #19 on: January 28, 2017, 03:46:21 AM »
Mark--way back in his pedigree I did find Deerpark Leader 13th, but that's the only bit of leader I found. Muridale Buster looks interesting. Does anyone have experience with his daughters?

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Re: Possible donor cow
« Reply #20 on: January 28, 2017, 01:10:26 PM »
There are A:OT of Buster daughters-bull was used heavily. I meant the Tieman Leader-Proud Jazzez Sire g-sire etc, or any of the old blood. Eagle 148 was out of a Chuck O Luck Real Silver daughter -who like Enticer had some maine in him and looked it.  O0

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Re: Possible donor cow
« Reply #21 on: January 28, 2017, 04:58:21 PM »
Thoughts on the phenotype? Mostly Australian blood with a little Canadian/American influence from Gus and Cruickshank.
This is one of two Australian bulls we will be bringing to Canada. This guy has just had all his DNA testing completed and he is THF,DSF,PHAF and myostain free. Jaimie was totally impressed when she saw this guy as was Shortybreeder when he saw him. We are pretty excited about what he brings. He is out breeding now but he should be collected for semen to arrive in the fall 2017.

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Re: Possible donor cow
« Reply #22 on: January 28, 2017, 06:36:15 PM »
Thoughts on the phenotype? Mostly Australian blood with a little Canadian/American influence from Gus and Cruickshank.

Interesting bull, and pedigree.

I picked up some of Okotoks Lord Belmore to try the Kookaburra line, and sure wouldn't hesitate to try his cross in the above bull either. I'm hesitant to flush to bulls I haven't seen work on my cow lines though.

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Re: Possible donor cow
« Reply #23 on: January 28, 2017, 07:03:42 PM »
I'm excited to try that bull once he arrives in the fall. I could try Lord Belmore on her this year and flush her to Belmore Roger if it works. I do like the Buster 14k, but there are some embryos for sale that are similarly bred so I may as well go that route and try flushing her another way. Thanks for everyone's input, and if anyone has any other ideas I'm still interested!

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Re: Possible donor cow
« Reply #24 on: January 29, 2017, 01:17:00 AM »
I havent had much luck with Australian bulls. The best looking cow Ive seen from there was Sprys Prophets Carnation-who had Sprys Cyclone-still one of the best looking Aussie bulls Ive seen. If anyone out there has cows that nick with Australian-I have some Cyclone Id sell. O0

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Re: Possible donor cow
« Reply #25 on: January 29, 2017, 02:55:34 AM »
Thoughts on the phenotype? Mostly Australian blood with a little Canadian/American influence from Gus and Cruickshank.

What's his name?
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Re: Possible donor cow
« Reply #26 on: January 29, 2017, 03:33:00 AM »
Belmore roger 37 is his name. Looks like a useful bull.

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Re: Possible donor cow
« Reply #27 on: January 29, 2017, 05:07:27 AM »
He's certainly been fed well but still, he looks like a good bull to me. 
« Last Edit: January 29, 2017, 03:38:42 PM by -XBAR- »
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Re: Possible donor cow
« Reply #28 on: January 29, 2017, 03:10:47 PM »
4508 will probably make cows too small for what folks like in Canada. 034 could work for making replacement females. Won't blow you away power wise though. Gauge would be a good choice to me. I'd be cautious with goldenrod if your cow is a heavy milker. JDMC Big Sky. He had a big BW, through the dam side but he's proving out to calve fine for my tastes. Big Sky is my favorite walking bull right now. Semen is 50 a straw at minimum I believe but well worth it for a flush. Another white Bonanza son would be the Manimal bull.
Progress is not about using progeny differences to change cattle, it is about sustaining the good ones absent self-inflicted problems.

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Re: Possible donor cow
« Reply #29 on: January 29, 2017, 03:12:37 PM »
Big sky in his working clothes.
Progress is not about using progeny differences to change cattle, it is about sustaining the good ones absent self-inflicted problems.

 

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