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Re: Possible donor cow
« Reply #30 on: January 29, 2017, 04:53:34 PM »
Thoughts on the phenotype? Mostly Australian blood with a little Canadian/American influence from Gus and Cruickshank.
Very good bull there shortybreeder. I like him very much, should give thick calves.

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Re: Possible donor cow
« Reply #31 on: January 29, 2017, 06:53:31 PM »
I like the look of that Big Sky bull too, and it doesn't look like his calves are coming too big. Who has semen rights on him? She is actually due to Manimal in about 3 weeks here, so we will see how that works on her.

X-Bar, he hadn't received any grain supplements, they just had a really good grass season. He's also out in his "working clothes" in the picture--he was the best conditioned bull on the place. His paternal half-sisters were in the best condition across the place, so they're easy-keeping genetics. I'm looking forward to trying him once Okotoks brings semen over.

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Re: Possible donor cow
« Reply #32 on: January 29, 2017, 07:20:13 PM »
Cody Nelson has semen on Big Sky.
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Re: Possible donor cow
« Reply #33 on: January 29, 2017, 10:56:17 PM »
Keep me posted on Manimal-I liked him real well as a calf-AND NOT VERY WELL AT ALL  when he was pictured at the national JR Show-but the pasture photos prior when he was in the field looked good. Hes different enough that he may really work on her semi dual breeding O0

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Re: Possible donor cow
« Reply #34 on: January 30, 2017, 12:14:22 PM »
I am really liking my calves from HC Bluebook 22B. Both sexes are thick with good hindquarters. We only had 8 last spring but in every case I think his calves are better than the cows they come out of.  Bluebook has tremendous length as well and is very easy fleshing which he gets from his dam. I have two full sisters to Bluebook in our herd and both are the same way. I have attached a picture of Bluebook at the 2016 Royal Winter Fair where he was Reserve Grand and weighed 2465 lbs after breeding cows all summer.  Also have attached a picture of a couple sons we are selling on March 7th in the Sun Country sale.  The first is HC Destiny 71D, who is a May materal brother to HC Cruiser 59C who topped the Sun Country sale last spring at $16,500. The second bull is a late March out of a DF Pure Gold dam. Both these bulls are thick with guts and butt and have great feet and legs. Several people have said that Bluebook has the best feet they have seen on a bull in many years.
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Re: Possible donor cow
« Reply #35 on: January 30, 2017, 05:58:42 PM »
Ryan Wernicke just sent me a picture of a Blue Book son they are selling shares on-looks pretty good-comes out a female that went to Canada from the Backenhus dispersal-but almost pure Shorthorn even up there-So Blue Book isnt just for purists per se-good breeding bull O0
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Re: Possible donor cow
« Reply #36 on: January 30, 2017, 08:25:11 PM »
I like the look of that Big Sky bull too, and it doesn't look like his calves are coming too big. Who has semen rights on him? She is actually due to Manimal in about 3 weeks here, so we will see how that works on her.

X-Bar, he hadn't received any grain supplements, they just had a really good grass season. He's also out in his "working clothes" in the picture--he was the best conditioned bull on the place. His paternal half-sisters were in the best condition across the place, so they're easy-keeping genetics. I'm looking forward to trying him once Okotoks brings semen over.
Xbar it is good he looks like he has been "fed well" because that is one of the main reasons Jaimie picked him out! When Jaimie was there last April they had been in a very severe drought for months and he was the bull in the pens that still looked good in spite of negligble grass! When shortybreeder visited a few months later and a wet spring had broken the drought this is what he looked like on grass out in the breeding pasture. We think Belmore Roger H37 will compliment our current breeding progarm and we will have the North American breeding rights on this bull.(photo taken by shorthybreeder)

               THE GROVE INFIDEL U223 (P) Roan BDBU223
           WEEBOLLABOLLA ARROGANT A57 (P) Roan AGFA57
               WEEBOLLABOLLA UNIQUE U114 (P) Red AGFU114
       Sire: BROOME NASA D159 (P) White L2 D159
               EIONMOR MR GUS 80C (IMP CAN) (P) Roan 93/06445
           BROOME HANNAH LIBERTY X5 (P) (AI) Roan L2 X5
               BROOME EMBROIDERY LIBERTYU7 (P) Red Little White L2 U7
Animal: BELMORE ROGER H37 (P) Roan IAWH37
               DEERHORN CRUICKSHANK 946 (IMP USA) (P) Red IMP4010471
           THE GROVE KOOKABURRA W735 (P) (ET) (AI) Red BDBW735
               THE GROVE BLUE DALE 2ND (P) (ET) (AI) Roan 95X02367
       Dam: BELMORE BLUE WREN C34 (P) Red Little White IAWC34
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Re: Possible donor cow
« Reply #37 on: January 30, 2017, 11:39:39 PM »
That's a hell of a bull and I would absolutely use him but I can't help but question how do you have any idea how the bull was fed outside of what I would assume was a short visit?   I mean maybe If you reply back telling me he's a frame score 3,, --  I'll stop there but I've got say that steer planet constantly presents me an internal conflict between attempting to get newcomers to read between the lines and not pissing everybody off.   So whether it's JIT telling people how easy calving these cow killers are or it's somebody saying a six frame 2500 pound bull in a bcs of 8+ maintained that form in a severe drought,  I just can't sit idly by and not speak up.  Everything we talk about on here represent dollars and somebody's hard ass work they put in to make that money. With that said, in my opinion, there's no room for even the slightest exaggeration.
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Re: Possible donor cow
« Reply #38 on: January 31, 2017, 12:40:58 AM »
X Bar, your concerns are valid, but like I had said, it was a really good grass season, probably the best in a very long time. Nearly everything on the place was fat, he was just the fattest. I'm not sure why they would have bothered feeding him when they couldn't use up the grass they were getting. True I was only at Belmore for 4 or 5 days, but I got the sense they were like most other operations in Australia with a focus on minimum inputs. I was there at the end of November, and they'd been getting record rainfall for months on end. I don't think anyone was saying he maintained that level of condition in a drought--which it certainly wasn't during my visit--but he wasn't getting fed like a show bull for the sake of looking good.

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Re: Possible donor cow
« Reply #39 on: January 31, 2017, 03:58:31 PM »
I think the third picture of the bull tells the story. The grass in Australia is very similar to type and growth rates that we experience on the west coast.   If you look the grass is turning color so, to me this indicates the end of there grass season at which point the cattle should be at there peak condition for the year.  In addition,  the grass in the picture is really short compared to what would be expected indicating that the plant residue was stressed at some point.   The bull himself looks more like a bcs of 7.  I think people are trying to be honest on here and i know JIT says his cattle are calving ease for him which is all he can do is tell you his experience. I used JPJ for years on heifers no issues and averaged 75 lbs birth weight and recommend him to another breeder whom had major issues and averaged 120lbs bw.  Your own cow herd, management and environmental conditions make up the majority of the issues not just the herdsire.
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Re: Possible donor cow
« Reply #40 on: January 31, 2017, 07:14:29 PM »
I like the bull and he looks an easy doing type to me. I see alot of the dam side in him with Kookaburra and Engineer both being moderate thick bulls. Although not having seen Nasa I would have thought he was a much bigger bull.

Okotoks what is the other bull you are getting semen in?


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Re: Possible donor cow
« Reply #41 on: January 31, 2017, 09:16:01 PM »
Gauge would be a good choice to me--E3 Durhams' comment.  We have a Gauge heifer calf from a Blizzard dam, and she may go to the local 4-H fair this summer.  Gauge added some volume and reinforces a number of desirable traits.  Our Blizzard cow was AI'd to JSF Gauge again.

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Re: Possible donor cow
« Reply #42 on: January 31, 2017, 11:48:11 PM »
Saskvalley Imperative 33x. I think he checks a lot of the boxes. Look him up on the ASA website and form your own opinion.

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Re: Possible donor cow
« Reply #43 on: February 01, 2017, 12:18:54 AM »
Here is some volume that should work, Muridale Robert 35u.
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Re: Possible donor cow
« Reply #44 on: February 01, 2017, 06:18:57 PM »
Look at bulls from programmes with depth to their pedigrees, like Kaper, Y Lazy Y, Haumont and Waukaru, amongst others in the US, and a long list from Canada.
You know what you will get!
It looks like the cow could do with a bit of hindquarter, in my opinion, from the picture./// And thats WHAT YOU WONT GET GET out of some of the above O0
After seeing the above bull MT, do you still think that! O0

 

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