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Re: Potential genetic defect in Shorthorn cattle
« Reply #735 on: October 21, 2015, 07:52:02 PM »

Right out of the handbook......knabe. Discredit and demonize the opponet. Followed by character assination. excellent. One way to win a debate.....muddy the water. Bless your heart.


AJ, I'm not demonizing you.  all the comments are true. you have the most personal att
acks. the only person demonizing you is yourself. the only one assenting your character is yourself with your complaining and doing nothing.  pointing this out is not a character assassination, discrediting, or demonizing.
I guess pointing this out and asking you to do something about it such as getting off your butt and doing something about it instead of a personal attack of those you disagrees with is a personal attack.

Aj you are a hypocrite.

you do nothing but complain.

Defending those people you attack I guess is a personal attack.

the easy way to stop the personal attacks is for you to stop attacking people who use carrier cattle, produce something of your own, start your own breed made up of commercial cattle and stop pretending your problems are due to everyone else except you.

we all know of course you will never stop the personal attacks against carrier cattle and the people who use them, you will never produce something of your own that will supplant the carrier genetics and we all know you will never create anything other than commercial cattle.


these are all obvious and not personal in any way whatsoever. the only thing that is personal is you continually attacking people who use carrier cattle.
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Re: Potential genetic defect in Shorthorn cattle
« Reply #736 on: October 21, 2015, 11:01:58 PM »
It is the personal attacks that keeps many people from participating in some of the very interesting topics posted here. Unfortunate to see such intolerance and bad behavior projected while hiding behind the anonymity of the internet.


AJ criticizes people who use carrier cattle, AJ used them, marketed them, and produces nothing to replace them.


AJ's words and actions are those of intolerance, especially those of trying to be intolerant to registering carrier cattle and their use. 

pointing out intolerance is not intolerance. you have it backwards.


it is correct to say that i am intolerant of intolerance.
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Re: Potential genetic defect in Shorthorn cattle
« Reply #737 on: October 22, 2015, 06:32:53 PM »
**** you knabe.
People can't believe we have such a big moon for such a small town.

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Re: Potential genetic defect in Shorthorn cattle
« Reply #738 on: October 23, 2015, 09:29:52 AM »
I know aj, it's ok. The truth hurts.

See, below is a link to the eventual testing that will be available. Your continual criticism of people who use th carriers is short sighted. There will be so many defects that breeding around them and outpacing the spontaneous creation will be difficult to keep up with. Thank you for your continual and vigorous effort to keep this a personal issue. Thank you for your continual tolerance of your opinion, but no one else's. 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/11948303/Blood-test-allows-couples-to-screen-out-abnormalities.html

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Re: Potential genetic defect in Shorthorn cattle
« Reply #739 on: October 23, 2015, 06:32:00 PM »
knabe.....I admire your effort of character assasination. I have a web site. I have a facebook page page for my herd and for myself. Have registered 600 calves over the years......was a Kansas Shorthorn Director for 6 years. You have successfully beat me to death on here. You have never registered a Shorthorn calf. You have never been envolved with production agriculture. You constantly try to destroy anyone that comes out against propagating lethal genetic defects. You are a crusader for genetic defects.....and I don't begin to understand that point of view. But......keep up the good work. You keep this thread alive.You are the man. You have taken the opposition of freedom of speech to a new level. I have to admire you. You light up my life. Keep up the good work. You are a bitter little man.....of immense intellect just like Gore Vidal. I wish you a long and prosperous life.
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Re: Potential genetic defect in Shorthorn cattle
« Reply #740 on: October 23, 2015, 09:03:08 PM »

You have never been envolved with production agriculture. how do you know?

you constantly try to destroy anyone that comes out against propagating lethal genetic defects. sort of like you with anyone who uses defects. you apparently can't see your hypocrisy.

You are a crusader for genetic defects.no i'm not. but you are a crusader against those that choose to use them.

.and I don't begin to understand that point of view. yet you demonize it over and over. i don't understand it either, but i choose to let people choose. you do nothing but advocate for no choice. i don't expect you to see the difference any more.

You keep this thread alive. no, you do, just stop demonizing people.

You have taken the opposition of freedom of speech to a new level.
i like free speech, apparently you don't.

You are a bitter little man 'Im not bitter at all, you are with your consistent demonizing of those who use defects.
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Re: Potential genetic defect in Shorthorn cattle
« Reply #741 on: October 24, 2015, 01:41:52 AM »
So what are the guidelines that must be met in order for you to allow someone to post on here? Do you want me to not post my opinion untill you approve of the script or of the commentor?
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Re: Potential genetic defect in Shorthorn cattle
« Reply #742 on: October 24, 2015, 09:48:16 AM »
So what are the guidelines that must be met in order for you to allow someone to post on here? there are none.


Do you want me to not post my opinion untill you approve of the script or of the commentor? no.

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Re: Potential genetic defect in Shorthorn cattle
« Reply #743 on: October 25, 2015, 05:27:01 PM »
Well, it is a funny cartoon
'Those who do not understand the old will not understand the new'. -farmers quote

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Re: Potential genetic defect in Shorthorn cattle
« Reply #744 on: October 26, 2015, 01:34:06 PM »
This used to be a very informative thread on the DS genetic defect.
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Re: Potential genetic defect in Shorthorn cattle
« Reply #745 on: October 26, 2015, 11:51:48 PM »
it still is.  all the posts are there.


like any topic, they run out of new information.


the test works, people use it.


new defects will be found, new tests will be made.


since more defects will be found, the days of badmouthing people for the sake of what seemed like the end of the world is no longer an issue.


the fortunate truth is tests for the defects will be made and used.


genomics is still in it's infancy and we have no idea what is in any of these animals and it's a shame to narrow the gene pool and throw away genetics and turn the cattle industry into an animal like the cheetah with a narrow genetic base and tenuous diversity that threatens it's existence.


but of course, it's more important to approach the subject from another angle.

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Re: Potential genetic defect in Shorthorn cattle
« Reply #746 on: October 27, 2015, 10:59:50 AM »
Thats all very special. And during this grand experiment the beef industry will steer just as far from the Shorthorn breed as possible.
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Re: Potential genetic defect in Shorthorn cattle
« Reply #747 on: October 27, 2015, 11:12:10 AM »
I say to each their own. In my never opinion, breed cattle to your liking. Carriers must be a good thing because if they weren't the defect would be eliminated.

Shorthorn cattle can be just as profitable as other breeds. When the consumer thinks beef they think of Angus. It has been that way for a while. Changing people's perspective or embracing hybrid vigor with good angus cattle is a start. Just my 0.02.

Simangus, black herefords, maineangus, etc all have one thing in common.
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Re: Potential genetic defect in Shorthorn cattle
« Reply #748 on: October 27, 2015, 01:14:18 PM »
AJ....I believe you are absolutely correct. 
In my opinion, there are some issues that simply should never be deferred to the individual member/breeder to manage as they each see fit. And, at the top of that list is known fatal defect genes.

There is a time when the breed association rulers need to step forward and lead from the front.
So, I respectfully disagree that "to each his own" is a viable option or solution.

What this thread has demonstrated to me is the countless creative ways breeders can invent to justify the continued propagation of known fatal defect genes.
If these genes had no real or perceived benefit to help win banners and ribbons no one would care if the ASA implemented a policy to eventually eradicate them.
Again, JMO

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Re: Potential genetic defect in Shorthorn cattle
« Reply #749 on: October 27, 2015, 03:00:24 PM »
When I think of Shorthorns: pretty cattle with large birth weights, slow to nurse, no vigor (large birth weights the cause) slow to finish and hard to sell commercially. This is the stigma that dogs the breed, not TH. Not that any of these are accurate but they are the things I've heard over the years.
I have seen some real easy doing Shorthorn calves but I have also seen some hard doing ones as well.

I think you need to work on changing those perceptions before you try and hang the breeds struggles on Genetic defects. You can easily select a bull that will insure you do not have TH, I bet there are more THF bulls out there then there are calving ease. Even if the bulls is caving ease you have the cows side to deal with. I have a 50 50 shot of getting a THF calf out of a THC and a THF mating, how long will it take to breed calf size out of one?

Hereford is getting in on marketing the breed as a better choice on the grill, has Shorthorn?

I actually like a lot of the Shorthorn cattle I've seen, I just think your trying to pick low growing fruit in your cause, that has a lesser impact on the breed than a lot of other things.
« Last Edit: October 27, 2015, 05:07:06 PM by vc »

 

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