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Re: Proposed Child Labor Laws
« Reply #30 on: April 27, 2012, 02:01:24 PM »
Do we need another government agency?  Do we need more government control? 

more government helps employment figures both from the increased number of employees, but also the compliance infrastructure including enforcement and lawyers.
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Re: Proposed Child Labor Laws
« Reply #31 on: April 27, 2012, 02:03:02 PM »
Do we need another government agency?  Do we need more government control? 

more government helps employment figures both from the increased number of employees, but also the compliance infrastructure including enforcement and lawyers.
well said

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Re: Proposed Child Labor Laws
« Reply #32 on: April 27, 2012, 02:09:34 PM »
Are there a lot of 12 year old or other under age migrant workers that this law is supposedly designed to protect?  I don't know how it is everywhere, but we don't have any migrant farm workers in our area.  There are migrant workers in the larger towns, but most of them that I know of work at meat packers or in construction (home building).  They are not under 18 as far as I know.  I would not be opposed to safety courses for underage farm workers, I guess.  I think there are some requirements for guns and 4-wheelers.  I can't imagine, though, some farmer turning someone loose with a hale baler that hasn't got a clue on how to run it.  Again, I am not saying every 12 year old should be running equipment with PTO shafts.  I am saying government needs to stop with the micro-management of our daily lives when they can't even begin to police themselves.

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Re: Proposed Child Labor Laws
« Reply #33 on: April 27, 2012, 02:21:24 PM »
While we're on the topic of government intervention, seveal years ago there was legislation introduced in Iowa  that would ban cattle grazing within 100 - 200 feet of any stream.  I can't remember the exact distance, but you get the idea.  You can understand the logic.  A cow could crap in the creek and pollute it or, worse yet, some idiot farmer would allow the cows to strip the grass to below the roots and erosion would result.  There's nothing worse than cow crap infested erosion water.  I'm not sure how the thousands of deer and other animals in our pasture would be kept from crapping in the creek.  Maybe the local game warden could put up some warning posters.  Anyway, several farm groups helped insure this bill was kept in committee.  It has been brought up several times.

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Re: Proposed Child Labor Laws
« Reply #34 on: April 27, 2012, 02:34:58 PM »
Since we're on politics, next up is religion....




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Re: Proposed Child Labor Laws
« Reply #35 on: April 27, 2012, 02:58:50 PM »
America Hell yea! Coming to save the mother loving day!
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Re: Proposed Child Labor Laws
« Reply #36 on: April 27, 2012, 03:08:21 PM »
ZNT I guess you posted what you did as fact and it is............but it's spun. Other FACTS are under the new regulations kids could not cut grass for people who's places of residence were considered to be farms. Not even their grand parents. However, kids in suburban or urban environments are free to cut all the grass they want to earn extra money during the summers.  Another FACT is that you couldn't pay a kid to help get your hay up. You'd have to hire an illegal to do that. But that's just normal there in Texas isn't it? You couldn't hire the neighbor kid to help you run cattle through the chute. A kid here AI's cattle and I guess he is out of business until he turns 18. How much government in our lives is too much?

Most farms are owned by OLDER people. Many more OLDER people are injured in farm related accidents each year than kids. How long will it be before there are regulations that say you have to sell your farm at 65? Enough is enough. It still absolutely amazes me that there are actually Americans that do not live on the left coast or the NE that think it is good for the government to tell you how to live your life and raise your families.
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Re: Proposed Child Labor Laws
« Reply #37 on: April 27, 2012, 03:53:01 PM »
I think most of you are getting to the same point I make.  We live in the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.  Land of the free, home of the brave.  Or so that is how I was taught.  Since when did the American dream include the government tell me how to raise my kids??  (Granted, I don't have any yet, but my parents raised me as they saw fit and I plan to do the same)  I feel that its the parents job to decide what tasks a child is mature enough and trained enough to handle on their own.  My dad never left us in the barn by ourselves until he thought we were A) able to do the right thing in the chance that something went wrong and B) our heifers were tame enough he trusted us with them.  At the age of 11 and 9 my brother and I were riding our bikes the mile and a half to the show barn and doing ALL of the daily care ourselves.  The day I turned 16 was the day Dad quit stepping foot in the show barn unless it was to check in on us and see what kind of progress we had made.  My parents felt comfortable with that because they taught us to look both ways before we crossed the street, wear your helmets when you ride your bikes or you have to walk, and always make sure both of you are in the barn at all times.  We were lucky as kids and the worst injury we had was my brother falling off the tractor and breaking his arm.  Same thing can happen to a kid on the stairs.  So is the government then going to tell me I can't have stairs in my house?  I dread the day that Big Brother is actually watching, although I'm afraid we may already be there.

I think this is the time for 4-H/Extension, FFA, Farm Bureaus, etc. to step up to the plate and really promote the farm safety programs.  Even make them an all school assembly.  Why can't we teach farm safety to kids who aren't involved in large farm operations, but rather want to mow their grandparents grass with the fancy riding mower??  Shouldn't those kids know how to properly operate them, where not to stick their hands, and why you shouldn't point the mower at other people.  Just a thought..

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Re: Proposed Child Labor Laws
« Reply #38 on: April 27, 2012, 04:00:19 PM »
Obama has never held a job except community organzier. He has never even observed a business in action. He never grew up. He was gifted intellectually but he just never grew up. If he would have grown up in a family business atmosphere or had to do labor as a kid his views would different. Its all theory....theory he was taught by left wingers. That is my opinion.
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Re: Proposed Child Labor Laws
« Reply #39 on: April 27, 2012, 04:42:56 PM »
  I'm not sure how the thousands of deer and other animals in our pasture would be kept from crapping in the creek.  Maybe the local game warden could put up some warning posters. 
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Re: Proposed Child Labor Laws
« Reply #40 on: April 27, 2012, 06:11:32 PM »
  I'm not sure how the thousands of deer and other animals in our pasture would be kept from crapping in the creek.  Maybe the local game warden could put up some warning posters. 
hahahaha <beer>

this was actually discussed many decades ago at the federal level and whether fences were necessary to keep wild animals out of rivers, streams and creeks.  i'll see if i can find the reference.
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Re: Proposed Child Labor Laws
« Reply #41 on: April 27, 2012, 07:21:11 PM »


I can remember my father and grandfather going over all the moving parts with me and told me what to stay away from and what precautions to take if I had to be near moving parts. Sh*t happens. Accidents occur on the farm and its up to the parents to decide whether or not their child should be or shouldnt be doing a certain chore, not the government.

That's great you had quality parenting.  Unfortunately, for many, there are no qualifications to procreate.   

"They should drop govt regulated age restrictions on tobacco, alcohol, and playboy (angel) as well.  It should be up to the parents to decide whether or not their child should be consuming those products."  ::) Surely, the anti-regulatory men of principle wouldn't have a problem with this? ? ?


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Re: Proposed Child Labor Laws
« Reply #42 on: April 27, 2012, 07:49:39 PM »
How is this not going to directly effect 4-h and ffa. How many kids are showing and fitting other peoples animals. By the proposed law they can not be in pens with bulls and cow calf pairs. Does that not mean since those animals are not there familys at the show they couldn't be in the ring maybe even building depending on how the law is writed and inforced by who is regulating it. They cant administer vaccines, brand or be around when animals could be harmed. So does that mean they cant be there while calves are taged and processed for showes. Cant go in feed bins or be higher than 6 feet off the ground so how are they are supposed to feed and care for their projects if grandpa is keeping the animal at his place and gave them the calf to show.  How about kids helping other club members at shows those aren't their cattle might cross the line of the law. Oh 4-h's rodeo is gone how many stud horses are rode and bucking bulls are double bad could be mean and are in tact males. how many halter horses are shown by people that aren't the owner and till stallions. I'm not saying it is how the law will run but this is a pretty good examples of how it could be twisted to end 4-h and ffa. Plus on another note whos to say they aren't using this law to make people be ok with it then a few years later take away the exemtion for parent owned farms.

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Re: Proposed Child Labor Laws
« Reply #43 on: April 27, 2012, 08:11:07 PM »
  Unfortunately, for many, there are no qualifications to procreate.   

sure there is.  knowledge of eic.
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Re: Proposed Child Labor Laws
« Reply #44 on: April 27, 2012, 09:29:54 PM »
WOW, XBAR, you are VERY assuming?  What makes you think that I would throw my child into an unsafe situation - or anyone on here for that matter???  So, your profile says you are 26? When did you start working/learning in the ag industry?  By your comments, it sounds like it must have been after 18!  Did your mom hold your hand while you crossed the street until you left home or are you still at home? 
I will not spoil my kids by not making them do chores (they are very well compensated for their work and they can CHOOSE not to do chores, but there is no reward for that here!).  Let's talk about what they COULDN'T do if these kinds of laws were passed (since we are managers):  They couldn't clean the barn nor pitch hay to the horses in the corral nor help gather cows....etc.  We practice safety here everyday - I can be a helicopter mom when it comes to my kids' safety, but it sounds like you had your butt a little too powdered. 
My daughter rides big circles with the guys and she loves it and does a great job.  We run a ranch of 160,000 acres with 1450 hd of commercial cows - so there is always plenty of riding and roping (which I am FINALLY allowing her to do for safety reasons!!!!!!!!!!).  She is a girly girl - but I bet she could already outwork you (if you are a believer of your own comments). 
You, along with the pencil pushers proposing these laws, feel that the majority of ag people are not capable of teaching their children safety - when in fact we practice it everyday.  You also don't feel that the majority of ag people are not fit to procreate.  Are YOU?  Man, I wouldn't want any of my daughters hooking up with a pansy that you sound like. 
More kids get hurt playing sports than do on farms and ranches - why don't you go find a forum that is all about regulating school sports.
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