Proposed Child Labor Laws

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MJCorlett

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Thank you for posting this ZNT.  By reading only what you posted it seems that if the law were to be proposed again or pushed now, it would affect my family.  We are not owners, but managers.  So, again only reading what's posted, my kids couldn't set foot outside the yard to "do" anything (legally) because we are not a very small farm but a very large commercial outfit (in fact #1).  This kind of law would affect MANY ag families across the nation, if I am reading correctly.
I will have to read more to see if there were exemptions for employee children.
However, I did see a bit of news saying it was set aside for now?
 

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I, too, heard that the proposal had been withdrawn yesterday.  My concern, maybe even fear, is that the government is involved in the first place.  Do we need another government agency?  Do we need more government control?  Why is it these people that sit in big city offices and have little or no concept of the real world continue to dream up ways to justify their jobs?  Maybe they could do some research and find out that more teens are injured or killed in gang violence in their city in one day than are hurt doing chores on a farm in a year.  Maybe they could fund a goverment study that shows teens are physically better off baling hay than sitting in front of their computer playing Grand Theft Auto.  Could we please have another government agency that protects the public interest just like the ones that spent nearly $1 million in Las Vegas or provided employment opportunities for hookers in Columbia?  Would someone please explain to me again why we need to pay more taxes instead of getting rid of even a little bit of government waste?
 

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oakview said:
I, too, heard that the proposal had been withdrawn yesterday.  My concern, maybe even fear, is that the government is involved in the first place.  Do we need another government agency?  Do we need more government control?  Why is it these people that sit in big city offices and have little or no concept of the real world continue to dream up ways to justify their jobs?  Maybe they could do some research and find out that more teens are injured or killed in gang violence in their city in one day than are hurt doing chores on a farm in a year.  Maybe they could fund a goverment study that shows teens are physically better off baling hay than sitting in front of their computer playing Grand Theft Auto.  Could we please have another government agency that protects the public interest just like the ones that spent nearly $1 million in Las Vegas or provided employment opportunities for hookers in Columbia?  Would someone please explain to me again why we need to pay more taxes instead of getting rid of even a little bit of government waste?
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I read a deal(I think it was a KLA mag) that said Obama's epa is working on taking ground water rights away from producers. I don't know what the legal description is for sure. Now if you own land you pretty much own water pumped out of the land. The push is to make it the governments water as I understood the article.
 

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Best way to try and understand these people is to get in their heads.
 

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MJCorlett said:
Thank you for posting this ZNT.  By reading only what you posted it seems that if the law were to be proposed again or pushed now, it would affect my family.  We are not owners, but managers.  So, again only reading what's posted, my kids couldn't set foot outside the yard to "do" anything (legally) because we are not a very small farm but a very large commercial outfit (in fact #1).  This kind of law would affect MANY ag families across the nation, if I am reading correctly.
I will have to read more to see if there were exemptions for employee children.

The proposed rule would not change any of the Fair Labor Standards Act’s minimum age standards for agricultural employment. Under the FLSA, the legal age to be employed on a farm without restrictions is 16. The FLSA also allows children between the ages of 12 and 15 years, under certain conditions, to be employed outside of school hours to perform nonhazardous jobs on farms. Children under the age of 12 may be employed with parental permission on very small farms to perform nonhazardous jobs outside of school hours.





I've yet to read one thing about the proposed laws that I disagree with.  It wont be until your kid gets wrapped up in a PTO that you'll finally say , yeah "maybe our 12yr old shouldn't have been doing that."    
 

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I've yet to read one thing about the proposed laws that I disagree with.  It wont be until your kid gets wrapped up in a PTO that you'll finally say , yeah "maybe our 12yr old shouldn't have been doing that."    
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there was a kid who was killed from a PTO and he was 23 around here. Also was a 56 year old man who forgot to shut a valve off an anydrous tank and started to take the hose off and got blasted in the face and burnt his face all up. We like to point the fingers at kids who are in these accidents and say they didnt know no better. When in fact I can remember my father and grandfather going over all the moving parts with me and told me what to stay away from and what precautions to take if I had to be near moving parts. Sh*t happens. Accidents occur on the farm and its up to the parents to decide whether or not their child should be or shouldnt be doing a certain chore, not the government. My arguement is some things they have proposed like kids under the age of 16 are not allowed to be in bins,silos, equipment without roll bars or cases, and around animals above 600 pounds. Thats nonsense.
 

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I AGREE COMPLETELY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  If there was a hug rash of young farm kid accidents, it would be different. Accidents happen on farms, it is part of life.  I would like someone to compile some statistics but I would bet Aged Farmers have more accidents than the you....This really harkens to a bigger problem we have in this country.... GOVERNMENT JUMPING TO THE LEGISLATIVE ROUTE to "fix" things.  We have too much governemnt already. 

There is a freak accident where a tire comes off of a tractor....we should ban all tires on tractors.....
A wind storm knocks over a tree onto a child....we must cut down all trees....

GOVERNMENT PASSING LAWS IS NOT THE ANSWER!!!!!  Trust me...this silly change in regulations is not going to prevent PTO accidents. 


 

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-XBAR- said:
MJCorlett said:
Thank you for posting this ZNT.  By reading only what you posted it seems that if the law were to be proposed again or pushed now, it would affect my family.  We are not owners, but managers.  So, again only reading what's posted, my kids couldn't set foot outside the yard to "do" anything (legally) because we are not a very small farm but a very large commercial outfit (in fact #1).  This kind of law would affect MANY ag families across the nation, if I am reading correctly.
I will have to read more to see if there were exemptions for employee children.

The proposed rule would not change any of the Fair Labor Standards Act’s minimum age standards for agricultural employment. Under the FLSA, the legal age to be employed on a farm without restrictions is 16. The FLSA also allows children between the ages of 12 and 15 years, under certain conditions, to be employed outside of school hours to perform nonhazardous jobs on farms. Children under the age of 12 may be employed with parental permission on very small farms to perform nonhazardous jobs outside of school hours.





I've yet to read one thing about the proposed laws that I disagree with.  It wont be until your kid gets wrapped up in a PTO that you'll finally say , yeah "maybe our 12yr old shouldn't have been doing that."    

This mentality that the govenment knows better what I and my family should and shouldn't be doing is silly.  I have a brain, I know my equipment, I love my family, I teach them safety, I have experience.....lawmakers sit in an office, few have run machinery, few have set foot on a farm... Maybe liberal idiots can't think for themselves but I am an educated adult and don't need the government to tell me what to do, what to eat, where to live, how to live.....
 

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iowabeef said:
-XBAR- said:
MJCorlett said:
Thank you for posting this ZNT.  By reading only what you posted it seems that if the law were to be proposed again or pushed now, it would affect my family.  We are not owners, but managers.  So, again only reading what's posted, my kids couldn't set foot outside the yard to "do" anything (legally) because we are not a very small farm but a very large commercial outfit (in fact #1).  This kind of law would affect MANY ag families across the nation, if I am reading correctly.
I will have to read more to see if there were exemptions for employee children.

The proposed rule would not change any of the Fair Labor Standards Act’s minimum age standards for agricultural employment. Under the FLSA, the legal age to be employed on a farm without restrictions is 16. The FLSA also allows children between the ages of 12 and 15 years, under certain conditions, to be employed outside of school hours to perform nonhazardous jobs on farms. Children under the age of 12 may be employed with parental permission on very small farms to perform nonhazardous jobs outside of school hours.





I've yet to read one thing about the proposed laws that I disagree with.  It wont be until your kid gets wrapped up in a PTO that you'll finally say , yeah "maybe our 12yr old shouldn't have been doing that."    

This mentality that the govenment knows better what I and my family should and shouldn't be doing is silly.  I have a brain, I know my equipment, I love my family, I teach them safety, I have experience.....lawmakers sit in an office, few have run machinery, few have set foot on a farm... Maybe liberal idiots can't think for themselves but I am an educated adult and don't need the government to tell me what to do, what to eat, where to live, how to live.....

I don't think anything in the article or the proposed rules disagree with that.  There are very few restrictions for a child of any age when working with and for their parents on their farm. Parents do know their child best.  The issue is a child who is working for a 3rd party employer.  Seems to me that the rules that were proposed were still much looser than the rules every other industry out their has to abide by.  These rules were more aimed at migrant workers and such. 
 

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oakview said:
Do we need another government agency?  Do we need more government control? 

more government helps employment figures both from the increased number of employees, but also the compliance infrastructure including enforcement and lawyers.
 

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knabe said:
oakview said:
Do we need another government agency?  Do we need more government control? 

more government helps employment figures both from the increased number of employees, but also the compliance infrastructure including enforcement and lawyers.
well said
 

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Are there a lot of 12 year old or other under age migrant workers that this law is supposedly designed to protect?  I don't know how it is everywhere, but we don't have any migrant farm workers in our area.  There are migrant workers in the larger towns, but most of them that I know of work at meat packers or in construction (home building).  They are not under 18 as far as I know.  I would not be opposed to safety courses for underage farm workers, I guess.  I think there are some requirements for guns and 4-wheelers.  I can't imagine, though, some farmer turning someone loose with a hale baler that hasn't got a clue on how to run it.  Again, I am not saying every 12 year old should be running equipment with PTO shafts.  I am saying government needs to stop with the micro-management of our daily lives when they can't even begin to police themselves.
 

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While we're on the topic of government intervention, seveal years ago there was legislation introduced in Iowa  that would ban cattle grazing within 100 - 200 feet of any stream.  I can't remember the exact distance, but you get the idea.  You can understand the logic.  A cow could crap in the creek and pollute it or, worse yet, some idiot farmer would allow the cows to strip the grass to below the roots and erosion would result.  There's nothing worse than cow crap infested erosion water.  I'm not sure how the thousands of deer and other animals in our pasture would be kept from crapping in the creek.  Maybe the local game warden could put up some warning posters.  Anyway, several farm groups helped insure this bill was kept in committee.  It has been brought up several times.
 

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ZNT I guess you posted what you did as fact and it is............but it's spun. Other FACTS are under the new regulations kids could not cut grass for people who's places of residence were considered to be farms. Not even their grand parents. However, kids in suburban or urban environments are free to cut all the grass they want to earn extra money during the summers.  Another FACT is that you couldn't pay a kid to help get your hay up. You'd have to hire an illegal to do that. But that's just normal there in Texas isn't it? You couldn't hire the neighbor kid to help you run cattle through the chute. A kid here AI's cattle and I guess he is out of business until he turns 18. How much government in our lives is too much?

Most farms are owned by OLDER people. Many more OLDER people are injured in farm related accidents each year than kids. How long will it be before there are regulations that say you have to sell your farm at 65? Enough is enough. It still absolutely amazes me that there are actually Americans that do not live on the left coast or the NE that think it is good for the government to tell you how to live your life and raise your families.
 

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I think most of you are getting to the same point I make.  We live in the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.  Land of the free, home of the brave.  Or so that is how I was taught.  Since when did the American dream include the government tell me how to raise my kids??  (Granted, I don't have any yet, but my parents raised me as they saw fit and I plan to do the same)  I feel that its the parents job to decide what tasks a child is mature enough and trained enough to handle on their own.  My dad never left us in the barn by ourselves until he thought we were A) able to do the right thing in the chance that something went wrong and B) our heifers were tame enough he trusted us with them.  At the age of 11 and 9 my brother and I were riding our bikes the mile and a half to the show barn and doing ALL of the daily care ourselves.  The day I turned 16 was the day Dad quit stepping foot in the show barn unless it was to check in on us and see what kind of progress we had made.  My parents felt comfortable with that because they taught us to look both ways before we crossed the street, wear your helmets when you ride your bikes or you have to walk, and always make sure both of you are in the barn at all times.  We were lucky as kids and the worst injury we had was my brother falling off the tractor and breaking his arm.  Same thing can happen to a kid on the stairs.  So is the government then going to tell me I can't have stairs in my house?  I dread the day that Big Brother is actually watching, although I'm afraid we may already be there.

I think this is the time for 4-H/Extension, FFA, Farm Bureaus, etc. to step up to the plate and really promote the farm safety programs.  Even make them an all school assembly.  Why can't we teach farm safety to kids who aren't involved in large farm operations, but rather want to mow their grandparents grass with the fancy riding mower??  Shouldn't those kids know how to properly operate them, where not to stick their hands, and why you shouldn't point the mower at other people.  Just a thought..
 

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Obama has never held a job except community organzier. He has never even observed a business in action. He never grew up. He was gifted intellectually but he just never grew up. If he would have grown up in a family business atmosphere or had to do labor as a kid his views would different. Its all theory....theory he was taught by left wingers. That is my opinion.
 

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oakview said:
  I'm not sure how the thousands of deer and other animals in our pasture would be kept from crapping in the creek.  Maybe the local game warden could put up some warning posters. 
hahahaha <beer>
 
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