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Title: Pumping websites
Post by: harrisonshowgurl on January 10, 2010, 12:42:39 PM
Is there any college or informational websites about pumping? Our county fair is bringing up pumping at the next meeting do decide if it should be allowed. I need websites with valid points on why it shouldn't be done. Is there any way it can danger the animal or hurt it?

Thanks
Title: Re: Pumping websites
Post by: Nasc on January 10, 2010, 01:14:53 PM
It is illegal in Ohio.
I believe it is even spelled specifically out in the Ohio Revised Code.
 This may be your states case as well,
if so then it is not up to the fairboard to decide on the legality of pumping.
Title: Re: Pumping websites
Post by: harrisonshowgurl on January 10, 2010, 01:36:18 PM
I live in Arkansas. It is illegal at our state fair along with other shows, but legal at jackpot shows. Pumping has been allowed the last couple of years, but some are trying to make it illegal.
Title: Re: Pumping websites
Post by: Nasc on January 10, 2010, 02:16:32 PM
It could possibly fall under the practice of veterinarian science without a license in your state.
Interpretation is everything………………..

Here is an Ohio web site that covers all types of animal care and practices:
http://www.animallaw.info/statutes/stusohst4741_01_99.htm (http://www.animallaw.info/statutes/stusohst4741_01_99.htm)
I dont know if that will help any.


Another thing your fairboard needs to consider is if HSUS or PETA gets wind of them allowing this practice it could get real ugly real quick.
Title: Re: Pumping websites
Post by: blackcows on January 11, 2010, 05:31:27 AM

Another thing your fairboard needs to consider is if HSUS or PETA gets wind of them allowing this practice it could get real ugly real quick.


I think that statement alone should go a long ways. A two minute video clip from a cel phone camera could mean the end of the fair.  If you were going to allow it I think no policy would be better than a policy approving it.


Mike
Title: Re: Pumping websites
Post by: Jacob B on January 11, 2010, 12:14:36 PM
From your original question, I kind of get this...If you don't know if it will hurt the animal or put it in danger, than why are you against it to start with?  The way that people ration feed and water to calves or even give them somthing to get them to drink and eat a large amount may not be a lot different.  Some folks give a drentch of nutrition to boost a calf after a long hall to a show to help with stress.  Is that wrong?  I was told at a county fair not too many years ago that a couple of steers died of heat exaution(not a great with spelling).  The people couldn't get the calves to drink, too much stress and heat for whatever reason.  Making those two calves drink may have helped them a lot, and could have saved a couple of kids a lot of heartake.  Have you ever had to drentch a newborn calf?  Is that wrong?  I do think there are ways that it can put the animal in danger, but so can letting them go without the food and water. Does tubing a bloated calf put them in danger, YES, but just letting them lay there and die does too.  I would rather fill a calf in other ways besides last minute pumping. Think about what you are realy trying to do and say while at your meeting.  Maybe not a last minute forced fluid administration, but a well needed drentch could help. 
Title: Re: Pumping websites
Post by: Dusty on January 11, 2010, 12:40:14 PM
I would say that you should find out what it exactly is before you say you want to ban it.

I agree with Jacob in that there would be times when it would be useful to get water/nutrients into a calf that hadn't drank or was going off feed.  And its not really that traumatizing of an experience for the calf.  I've seen steers that get pumped every week open their mouth and stand there no problem they are so used to it.  Its really not that big of a deal.  It actually sounds worse than it really is...
If done correctly with the proper equipment(an actual pump designed for cattle) there is really little risk involved.  If you get too much in them they will throw it up.  I've never seen an animal hurt while being pumped.

I think the IJBBA is banning it this year.  I'm pretty sure its against the rules at state fair.  County fairs would vary, some would allow so won't. 
Title: Re: Pumping websites
Post by: harrisonshowgurl on January 11, 2010, 04:21:00 PM
Our fair has allowed pumping in the past, but they are voting this week on wether or not to allow it this year. I believe that it is ok if they need water or nutrients, but I do not think that it should be done just to place better. It's one thing to help an animal, but I don't agree on doing it for A show. I want to find information that would persuade the board to ban pumping at the fair.
Title: Re: Pumping websites
Post by: loveRedcows on January 11, 2010, 06:37:21 PM
Pumping for administration of electrolytes, etc. for animal health reasons is acceptable.  Pumping for ARTIFICIAL FILL at a show is not -- it is specifically banned at most shows as being unethical fitting.