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Stewart

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The main focus on making Hereford steers for my kids to show: Cyrus, Womanizer, Cottonmouth, About Time, Revoluton are some bulls that you have mentioned and I like.  Is there another you definately would put on this list or take off?  I'm trying to stay below 90lbs BW.  There's alot of nice Hereford bulls out there! Thanks.
 

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Feltons Ledgend 242 is another nice one. Hes also the sire of Revolution if I remember right
 

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If you are shooting for show steers you can't go wrong with any purple reign bull, MH Monument 3147, LaGrand Reload 80P ET are also good choices
 

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I was not impressed with my Purple Millsap bull/steer calves but really like the heifers, however I was surprised that their birth weights were close to 100 lbs., I never touched one and they seem to come easy, but would definitely stay away from heifers with him. I don't think they advertise him as being a heifer bull at all, but that is my opinion. Reload and Moler both have worked well for PB steers. Some of the Neon calves have looked good and pretty good calving easy with him and most of his sons, I know that Lonestar purchased  GH ADAMS 279R WEBSTER 225W 2 years ago at NWSS, and would sure be worth while looking into, possibly could make some nice steers.

Now if you are wanting some clubby influence in them I think there are some nice choices out there. I used One & Only and had really good results and 70% came out with Hereford markings and will be very competitive, and out of 12 calves all birth weights were below 87lbs..I am considering Red Rock and Made Right also Just Right looks good. None of the other clubby bulls that I tried gave me Hereford markings, but I will be trying a couple bulls from above this spring.
 

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We have had success using Stocker. My intention was to get replacement heifers but ended up with all steers. The steer in picture was Grand Champion at the Border Classic  Steer show in Nappan, Nova Scotia. I believe he has a genetic defect (something to do with bald calves)and can only be used for commercial (non-purebred) purposes.
 

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Stewart said:
The main focus on making Hereford steers for my kids to show: Cyrus, Womanizer, Cottonmouth, About Time, Revoluton are some bulls that you have mentioned and I like.  Is there another you definately would put on this list or take off?  I'm trying to stay below 90lbs BW.  There's alot of nice Hereford bulls out there! Thanks.
you about one week away from the Denver results that will have more popular bulls that have just went thru the show on the Hill the Star Lake Bulls are very saleable bull or heifer calves if I were you i would check results in a week of the Denver show
 

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i second reload and any purple rein bull. ive also seen some good looking steers out of the bull repo. he is an older bull but in his pic he looks like he would fit in in todays club calve deals.
 

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If you're wanting to use a registered bull, you need to consider Crossfire.  A little more moderate and a little stouter than most of the other pb Hereford bulls.  He's worked well for us.

If you can use one that isn't pb, Carpe Diem can do great things on the right cow. 
 

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DLD said:
If you're wanting to use a registered bull, you need to consider Crossfire.  A little more moderate and a little stouter than most of the other pb Hereford bulls.  He's worked well for us.

If you can use one that isn't pb, Carpe Diem can do great things on the right cow. 

like what kind of cow... and what's crossfire?
 

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I've never seen Carpe Diem change a big, framey, flatter made cow enough to make a show steer (not that'll compete in OK or TX anyway).  The really good ones I've seen have all been out of moderate framed, stouter cows.  That's our experience anyway.

Crossfire...

http://www.sekgenetics.com/bull_pg.php?bull=2385&breed=8

I tried looking on the AHA website to find a complete pedigree, but apparentley only members have access to that sort of thing (or maybe even they don't).  He's not in the current sire summary.  I don't neccesarly think he's THE answer for a registered Hereford bull, just the only one I have any experience with  that's consistently put enough meat and bone in 'em for competitive show steers.

 

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K&B SUMMIT 4064 1ET (18560268)
K&B SUMMIT 8103 (18959908)
K&B MISS TITAN 1654 (18151705)
Sire: DB GRAND SLAM (42122151)
K&B SUMMIT 8103 (18959908)
B&S MISS SUMMIT 145E (19543057)
B&S INCRD MS 101 4ET (19231580)
Animal: H/T CROSSFIRE 600 (42720744)
TOTAL TREND (19528216)
L3 TOTAL TREND 8001 (41025571)
L3 LADY DUKE 21 (19147508)
Dam: H/T HEART BREAKER (42298977)
DESERT EDGE {SOD} (19406832)
H/T HOT DESERT WHOOPI (42048117)
L3 LADY WHOOPI 7004 (40020596)


Same Summit bull family as on the bottom side of Big Jake?
 

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Lol, or maybe you just need to know where to look. Thanks Jody.

I'm pretty sure that is the same Summit lines.

These are both Crossfire sons that we've shown.  The first was reserve champion Hereford steer at Tulsa in 2011,  the other one was selected the third Hereford steer in the premium sale right behind the champion and reserve in 2010. Both of them needed to be a little softer middled, the 2011 could have been neater fronted and sheathed, the 2010 needed a little more slope in his shoulder and and knee, but both were super stout.
 

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just gotta do a little ...  <party>


I'm wondering, if a guy had some herf, or black cows.. could mate them to something like Crossfire for herd builder females.. then turned around and bred them terminal and THC to something like red rock, or carpe-- I wonder what would happen?? 

For a purebred, he just looks interesting.. like that pedigree- -even though I know almost nothing about herfs..

btw.. I see a herf in my near future... carpe's in the tank already...
 

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Cut the BS said:
just gotta do a little ...  <party>


I'm wondering, if a guy had some herf, or black cows.. could mate them to something like Crossfire for herd builder females.. then turned around and bred them terminal and THC to something like red rock, or carpe-- I wonder what would happen?? 

For a purebred, he just looks interesting.. like that pedigree- -even though I know almost nothing about herfs..

btw.. I see a herf in my near future... carpe's in the tank already...


In my limited experience with Carpe I was very disappointed with the use on PB Hereford cows, first of all I had very poor conception at 10% of 18 cows and I know your going to say my program was screwed up but I bred 56 other cows at the same time and had 70% success on the other cows that were bred at the same time. I have seen lots of Carpe calves out there so I know that not all of the semen was of poor quality. #2 out of the 18, 12 were replacement heifers and were all were of adequate size with good pelvic measurements and the 2 that settled to Carpe both were heifers, and both were XL calves that I to put zippers in to get the calves, both were 115 lbs.. So it was bad luck all the way around with Carpe, not that he should be knocked but I would not use him again and I would not recommend him as a heifer bull. Like I said at the beginning this was a very limited experience.

I am glad to hear you would like to try a herf, I hope she will do a great job for you.
 

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Mtnman said:
I am glad to hear you would like to try a herf, I hope she will do a great job for you.
I've had my eyes on them for awhile now, had a neighbor where I grew up, who used to run about 12 good ole stouty Herf cows, with the black craze, he's been black bulls the last 3 or 4.  I don't think he's got any red cows left- all died off now due to age and replacement status.  I tried buying that herd once, I think there were 4 10 year old plus Herf cows left out of the 13 total- figured I could breed them for keeper  heifer calves until they died, and use the blacks as commercial cows- or try mating the baldies back red for more Herfs.  But he shut me down before I even got finished with my offer- keep in mind he's 80 plus in age too, and I wanted to rent his pasture, and as pasture rent, i'd give him a steer each year for their freezer.  So really, the only thing that would change, is I'd be the owner of the cows, and have the calves to sell for my profit....  Sounded like a good plan to me...
 

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Mtnman said:
I am glad to hear you would like to try a herf, I hope she will do a great job for you.
I've had my eyes on them for awhile now, had a neighbor where I grew up, who used to run about 12 good ole stouty Herf cows, with the black craze, he's been black bulls the last 3 or 4.  I don't think he's got any red cows left- all died off now due to age and replacement status.  I tried buying that herd once, I think there were 4 10 year old plus Herf cows left out of the 13 total- figured I could breed them for keeper  heifer calves until they died, and use the blacks as commercial cows- or try mating the baldies back red for more Herfs.  But he shut me down before I even got finished with my offer- keep in mind he's 80 plus in age too, and I wanted to rent his pasture, and as pasture rent, i'd give him a steer each year for their freezer.  So really, the only thing that would change, is I'd be the owner of the cows, and have the calves to sell for my profit....  Sounded like a good plan to me...

Funny how sometimes you just can't get a guy to listen. I believe there are some great Angus choices out there for breeding some quality hereford cows to, and then you can breed them to what ever you like and do some great things with
 

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I figured I'd pay him a fair market value (whatever he wanted) for the cows, keep them (or atleast some of them, plus others) at his house, do all their chores (even in winter for the 80 year old), plus give them a steer.. which is the whole reason they got cattle in the first place...

pretty good deal I though.. O well- maybe I'll find something else, somewhere else-- even though I don't think it will be as good of a deal- I'd a really came out like a bandit though, looking back.. That's when cattle were cheap compared to today's prices...  I think it was a year and half ago when I offered him that deal-- right before cattle spiked.
 

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Stewart said:
So Hereford cows bred to One and Only should be 50:50 red, black or am I wrong?   Anyone using Nitty Gritty?

depends on what's in his background, without looking, I'd say he's a HW son, or grandson.  HS was half shorthorn, meaning red in the genes.  HW, is 1/4, and throws every color under the sun, both do... 

Just guessing, but I'd guess when mating 1&o1 to Pure herf cows, you could expect more than 50% red baldy calves.. now, for the actual coloring pattern to classify Herf.. that might not be, if it's monitored closely.  Prob not as much as if using the HW or HS bull, of which I'd maybe shoot a stab of 75% of your calves could be red baldy's
 
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