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Mueller Show Cattle

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I wanted to see what breed of cattle you guys like to use as a recipient in embryo transfer for breeding club calfs. Of course it would have to have a large pelvic area for easy calving and a good milk producer. I am going to start doing ET next year and was wondering what breed of cows I should use for recipients? Going off the 2010 across-breed epd comparison chart, Shorthorns are some of the best milkers out there for beef cattle but what about pelvic size for calving? With using these large birth weight club calf bulls, I don't want it to be a problem.







 

LUKE

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There will always be a chance of a problem with clubbie breeding.
 

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down here its f1 brahman/hereford mamas. but up north i hear yall love the smokey recips. just what ive heard
 

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I personally love some brahma in a recip.  I live around the corner from a reputable breeder and I buy cull cows from him (based on epd's) and pop embryos in them.  Had one calve a 145 lb heatwave calf out of my Wyoming Wind donor (the donor usually throws 80# calves) without even batting an eye, that calf hooked me on brahman recips
 

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cant go wrong. brahmans and brahman inf. are without a doubt my all time favorite mamas. . . easy doing and they have a hard core mothering instinct. sure dont have to worry about many predators getting to their baby either. mean ole gals
 

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That makes sense as the 2010 across-breed epd comparison chart shows the Brahman producing more milk than shorthorns (tied with Tarentaise), only second to Braunvieh in producing milk for beef cattle. I would think Brahman would have a big bone frame, so they probably could have huge calfs. Just don't know if the Brahman would do very well with our cold and long winters.
 

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I don't know how much hair they CAN grow but it gets cold enough that they grow some hair in the winter around here.  It's all in the hip structure, that sloped hip is easier to have a calf with.  Our clubbies with the big beautiful square hips are the problem lol
 

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yeah probably not very good. depends just how horrible your winters really are, and i imagine pretty bad. but a half blood could live alright i bet. what about braunveihs. they are cousins with brown swiss.  are they good recips
Mueller Show Cattle said:
That makes sense as the 2010 across-breed epd comparison chart shows the Brahman producing more milk than shorthorns (tied with Tarentaise), only second to Braunvieh in producing milk for beef cattle. I would think Brahman would have a big bone frame, so they probably could have huge calfs. Just don't know if the Brahman would do very well with our cold and long winters.
 

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Show stopper 95 said:
yeah probably not very good. depends just how horrible your winters really are, and i imagine pretty bad. but a half blood could live alright i bet. what about braunveihs. they are cousins with brown swiss.  are they good recips
Mueller Show Cattle said:
That makes sense as the 2010 across-breed epd comparison chart shows the Brahman producing more milk than shorthorns (tied with Tarentaise), only second to Braunvieh in producing milk for beef cattle. I would think Brahman would have a big bone frame, so they probably could have huge calfs. Just don't know if the Brahman would do very well with our cold and long winters.
I don't know how good they are with Calving and there bone structure if they have a large bone structure and pelvic area. I have been doing some reading on them and know they do really well with cold climates and are awesome milk producers, they are the top beef cattle milk producer shown on the across-breed epd comparison. I just don't know how well they are suited for calving as what I read did not say anything on that.
 

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I have some holstein angus herford cross cows that are going to get a shot at being recips in the future.  LF
 

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LostFarmer said:
I have some holstein angus herford cross cows that are going to get a shot at being recips in the future.  LF
With Holstein in them, they should be good milkers I would think. I was looking to go buy some calfs of a certain breed or breeds to use for recips.
 

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LostFarmer said:
I have some holstein angus herford cross cows that are going to get a shot at being recips in the future.  LF
any pics? i know they are probley sorry but i wonder what that color pattern looks like lol. bet it is pretty cool
 

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I try to use British or British cross females that have had at least two calves and have some milk behind them. There is nothing worse than going to all the work of getting an ET calf born then having it survive by stealing from other cows in the herd. I think too much milk is also not good, especially if you are trying to implant an embryos in them while they are raising a calf. We use mostly Shorthorn and Angus X Shorthorn recips however I did have excellent luck with a set of Polled HerefordX Holstien heifers a few years back. I was able to buy them at the auction market for considerably less than straight beef heifers. They grew well,. and had perfect udders with plenty of milk.

We don't have access to many Brahman cross  females up here but I would think they would be excellent  providing they have decent temperaments. I won't use a recip of any breed that has a bad attitude. They require more handling than most cows in your herd so bad temperaments are not worth the bother. The ET  calf also picks up at least a portiion of the temperament of the cow. If the recip is completely bonkers, there is a very good chance that calf will be the same. I remember a few years ago, a guy I know had a set of embryos implanted in  Brahman cross recips at a southern ET center. The cows were nuts and even though he weaned the calves early he was never able to halter break any of the  calves, and they were some  higher dollar genetics. This may be the exception rather than the rule, but it something to watch.
 

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justintime said:
I try to use British or British cross females that have had at least two calves and have some milk behind them. There is nothing worse than going to all the work of getting an ET calf born then having it survive by stealing from other cows in the herd. I think too much milk is also not good, especially if you are trying to implant an embryos in them while they are raising a calf. We use mostly Shorthorn and Angus X Shorthorn recips however I did have excellent luck with a set of Polled HerefordX Holstien heifers a few years back. I was able to buy them at the auction market for considerably less than straight beef heifers. They grew well,. and had perfect udders with plenty of milk.

We don't have access to many Brahman cross  females up here but I would think they would be excellent  providing they have decent temperaments. I won't use a recip of any breed that has a bad attitude. They require more handling than most cows in your herd so bad temperaments are not worth the bother. The ET  calf also picks up at least a portiion of the temperament of the cow. If the recip is completely bonkers, there is a very good chance that calf will be the same. I remember a few years ago, a guy I know had a set of embryos implanted in  Brahman cross recips at a southern ET center. The cows were nuts and even though he weaned the calves early he was never able to halter break any of the  calves, and they were some  higher dollar genetics. This may be the exception rather than the rule, but it something to watch.

I know Shorthorn's do well in the cold weather. But I was also reading about some ranch up in Canada was importing Brahman cattle from southern US and were raising them in Canada. They said if you import the Brahman cattle in the spring to give them time to adjust to the climate before winter, they do fine. If Brahman can live in Canada I'm sure they can live in Wyoming as you guys get colder weather than us, it's usually not the temperature that is so bad for us as it is more of the wind that makes it so cold, I'm sure as long as they can get out of the wind like a shelter, then they would be fine.
 

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