Red Angus sire to improve udders.

Any ideas out there?

Check out Gamble Angus "Dr. Feel Good" I saw quite a few heifers out of him they kept in their herd...very nice

I'm not sure how his daughters udders are, but this is a bull I really like. I hope to try him on some shorthorn cows.

AJ, I'd use a Shorthorn bull to improve udders.

Similar query on another list today... response  below may or may not be applicable, as showring is not a consideration.
DL may be along at some point to weigh in.

1109534 Messmer Packer. Have 3 daughters frame 5.5-6.0 Very good udder's and are calving for the 4th time all within 365 days. Feet good. Grow good.
1161743 DZA Joe Maker Maybe one of the better red angus Bulls excellent growth and excellent udders Feet better than the packer feet frame 5.5 is the smallest I have seen maybe 6.5 avg Very consistent sire. Grow very well.
744473 BJR Gambler 027. have seen several daughters maybe the best footed and udder combination in the red angus breed. Good size.
I Run as fast as I can from LCC Major league, Cherokee Canyon and Lancer blood line, Terrible feet
and hard calving cattle. Also Run From Brown commitment, and Mission Statement very big hard keeping cattle that have poor udders and excellent growth, fertility issues here as yearlings all were gone before 3 yrs of age

When it comes to improving feet and udders you want to use a bull that is proven to do that (daughters in production at least 3-4 calves), not a new bull or someones best guess. Go to a breeder who has done his culling and homework on those specific issues. The reason I say this especially on these two criteria is that it takes time to improve them and just one wrong bull and you are set back years.

In my experience (for what its worth): Mulberry or Huckleberry (or I would suspect most of their sons would do the same) (feet & udders), Mak'n Hay (Udders, slight improver on feet), Mak'n Waves (both, full disclosure I have 2 full sib brothers at my place).  Evolution (some what new but showing great promise on both).

And no matter what bull you use be prepared to cull on those traits and be tuff no exceptions.

** Of course AJ I figure you know most of this stuff but you never know who's watching...........
SD
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Thanks for the BJR Gambler suggestion! He looks nice.

I have been doing the Red Angus-Shorthorn compost deal about 10 years now. Shorthorns have better udders and dispositions and are better on feet and legs especially feet. Red Angus better fleshing ability and practicality for my area. The Redemption Red Angus bull really interests me but I don't know since he isn't proven 10 years out or whatever.

Lucky_P said:

Similar query on another list today... response  below may or may not be applicable, as showring is not a consideration.
DL may be along at some point to weigh in.

1109534 Messmer Packer. Have 3 daughters frame 5.5-6.0 Very good udder's and are calving for the 4th time all within 365 days. Feet good. Grow good.

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I would agree. The daughters and granddaughters here all have very nice udders. They're also breeding up ~30 days each round if I let them. The calves are usually in the top half of the commercial herd, but not the top end. Good functional cattle.

aj said:

I have been doing the Red Angus-Shorthorn compost deal about 10 years now. Shorthorns have better udders and dispositions and are better on feet and legs especially feet. Red Angus better fleshing ability and practicality for my area. The Redemption Red Angus bull really interests me but I don't know since he isn't proven 10 years out or whatever.

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I am asking the same question as JTM.
Why use Red Angus for udders when you are doing Shorthorn crosses?
Seems like you would be there by now. Get a composite from Sue to maintain the RA % without going backwards on Shorthorn traits?

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aj said:

I have been doing the Red Angus-Shorthorn compost deal about 10 years now. Shorthorns have better udders and dispositions and are better on feet and legs especially feet. Red Angus better fleshing ability and practicality for my area. The Redemption Red Angus bull really interests me but I don't know since he isn't proven 10 years out or whatever.

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I am asking the same question as JTM.
Why use Red Angus for udders when you are doing Shorthorn crosses?
Seems like you would be there by now. Get a composite from Sue to maintain the RA % without going backwards on Shorthorn traits?

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I started 10 years ago too and I have to inject a red angus back into this deal too. I dont have walking ra x sh bulls left, some semen on a 3/4 bull.

Detour, or cowboy cut

You might find something at this sale. I haven't seen them, but heard a lot of good things from the Sustainable Genetics guys.
http://www.calvofamilyredangus.com/

Not to high jack the thread (hijack alert!) I'd like to know what SH genetics you all use? My experiment with SH genetics was a complete train wreck. Bad disposition (I do cull for disposition which took out 3/4 of them), and udder suspension by the third calf was painful to look at (which got rid of the rest).
SD
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SD said:

Not to high jack the thread (hijack alert!) I'd like to know what SH genetics you all use? My experiment with SH genetics was a complete train wreck. Bad disposition (I do cull for disposition which took out 3/4 of them), and udder suspension by the third calf was painful to look at (which got rid of the rest).
SD
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I get tired of the "bad disposition" remarks that shorthorn breeders make in regards to black or red angus too! it's a small breed with alot of issues.

For Shorthorn, use Dream Weaver or look for him in the pedigree.  You'll get extra excellent udders and disposition.