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Re: RED CALF has a black gene!! Didn't think it was possible, but...
« Reply #15 on: April 25, 2008, 01:58:53 PM »
My mares always like to wait to have their babies too.  Drove me NUTS!  I would watch and watch for a good month or better every 2 hours around the clock.  But those ol girls would always "wax" about 1/2 a day before they foaled.  It was like a waste of time to watch them.

Good luck with her, and let us knwo how it turns out!

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I couldn't believe how long she baked the colt last year, she went 376 days.  She was a maiden so I had a friend foal her out for me since he was much more experienced than I was.  I had to dig out the vet bills to see the date she was bred a few times at the end because I don't think he believed the date she was bred.   He kept telling me that they didn't read the mare and foal manual lol!  I keep thinking that this being the 2nd time around it'll be easier, but I don't think I'm much more relaxed lol!  My bet is that I'll be up for weeks on end and then on day she'll hold out until I leave for work and then pop the little bugger out. 
Hopefully in a few weeks I'll have some baby pics!

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Re: RED CALF has a black gene!! Didn't think it was possible, but...
« Reply #16 on: April 25, 2008, 02:38:51 PM »
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sounds about right.  If she didn't have trouble last time, she will most likley be fine this time.

I had a Standardbred mare one time that I foaled out for a group of "businessmen".  She had been in NY at a stud farm and had only averaged having a live foal every other birth.  Even though there were cameras in all the stalls and 2 vets on call 24/7.  This mare was a "challenge".  I don't know for sure how she ended up at my place, but she did.  The fist foal was no biggie.  The 2nd however was a bit more of an ordeal.  It was a friday and she was already about a month over.  I could just tell something was off so I called my vet out.  She looked at her and said that the colt was comming and that I would proably have a baby in a few hours, but if not, giver her a shot of oxy at about 2am.  Then the vet left.  About 4 hours later the vet called me and asked if I had a baby yet, I said no.  She told me she had talked to her hubby who was an equine vet at OSU and he told her not to come home until the baby was up and nursing.  So she came back out.  She reached in and the colt had moved back from the cervix and was no longer in "birth position".  She reached in and got ahold of the colt and began pulling him out.  We got his head and neck out and his tongue was hanging out and it was blue.  3 of us pulled as hard as we could and couldnt' get the colt to budge.  We ended up with the calf jack.  Mind you this is a potential $20,000 colt were pulling.  The mare was a great pacer and the sire was too.  We get the mammoth out of her and he lived.  She retained the plecenta and had to be treated for that and then got colic a few days later and had to be treated for that as well.  The colt had to have a transfusion.  But all lived and all fine.  The colt later named Takana went on to be pretty good race hores.  The owners sold him as a 2yo so I didn't get to follow his racing career much.  They also sold the mare- thank goodness!

Not to worry you, I am sure your mare will foal just fine.  Most do.  We knew this mare was TROUBLE from the start.

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Re: RED CALF has a black gene!! Didn't think it was possible, but...
« Reply #17 on: April 27, 2008, 11:36:58 AM »
I sold a Lowline bull to someone who had red calf.  Well, he had both the sire  & the calf DNA tested to see if it carried the red gene or the wild gene.  Bovigen did the testing.  Anyway, the sire  came back homozygous black ( ED ED)!!  And even stranger, the red calf came back  E+ ED !! I didn't think it was possible, but the calf is red!   Below is a picture of the cow & the heifer calf with the black gene.  Any comments about this development???
What is the breed of the cow? I am guessing Salers. They were thought to have a recessive black gene but in France black was bad luck and the black calves were killed.
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Re: RED CALF has a black gene!! Didn't think it was possible, but...
« Reply #18 on: April 27, 2008, 01:17:38 PM »
I sold a Lowline bull to someone who had red calf.  Well, he had both the sire  & the calf DNA tested to see if it carried the red gene or the wild gene.  Bovigen did the testing.  Anyway, the sire  came back homozygous black ( ED ED)!!  And even stranger, the red calf came back  E+ ED !! I didn't think it was possible, but the calf is red!   Below is a picture of the cow & the heifer calf with the black gene.  Any comments about this development???
What is the breed of the cow? I am guessing Salers. They were thought to have a recessive black gene but in France black was bad luck and the black calves were killed.
Thank You, Frostback.  I always wondered how a "red" breed, like Salers, could've had Black FullBLoods imported from Europe.

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Re: RED CALF has a black gene!! Didn't think it was possible, but...
« Reply #19 on: April 27, 2008, 02:03:05 PM »
It's not my cow, but I was told it is a crossbred & I'm pretty sure no Saler.  I think I was told Limi, Santa Gert & some Jersey.   
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Re: RED CALF has a black gene!! Didn't think it was possible, but...
« Reply #20 on: April 27, 2008, 05:28:02 PM »
FWIW, I didn't know this, but I just found out that the owner called Bovigen after he got the results & he had the tests were run a second time... same result...   A homozygous black bull sired a red colored calf that is E+ ED.
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Re: RED CALF has a black gene!! Didn't think it was possible, but...
« Reply #21 on: April 28, 2008, 03:21:06 PM »
Are they going to PARENT VERIFY that calf before you get too excited? May be a neighbours bull came knocking that they dont know about.
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Re: RED CALF has a black gene!! Didn't think it was possible, but...
« Reply #22 on: April 28, 2008, 04:56:28 PM »
Are they going to PARENT VERIFY that calf before you get too excited? May be a neighbours bull came knocking that they dont know about.

Parent Verification has already been done... see page 1 of this thread, about 1/2 way down the page & read my reply to Dori.   ;)   It's been tested twice too.  No neighbors bull & even if it was, it wouldn't matter... this calf got the E+ from the dam & the ED from the bull.  I have nothing to gain from this (unless the guy sells the calf's dna & I get a piece of the action)... I just found this phenomenon very interesting.   I guess the moral of this story is that homozygous black may not always produce black offspring. 
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Re: RED CALF has a black gene!! Didn't think it was possible, but...
« Reply #23 on: April 29, 2008, 01:03:07 PM »
We had this happen a couple of years ago, on a homozygous black cow  X Heat Wave mating, unfortunantley we didn't have the cow anymore to retest. 

 

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