rock salt - capitalism - disgust

xxcc · Jun 14, 2011

what in the hell is the matter with this country, ...and world for that matter? I have to vent. I used to do it in confidence with my buddy/business partner, but can't tell if I got stabbed in the back or the rear or both.

so... I used to buy rock salt in bulk from a company in Utah. It came in 2000# bags for about $0.10/lb delivered. I phoned them this morning to arrange another load. The gal at the desk said, "we don't sell that salt that way anymore. For cattle, we only sell machined salt or pressed blocks that contain corn starch." upon inquiring why you can't get bulk rocks, she replied, "well, we have to hand pick those, they are 'sleeved' and 'polished' and marketed as 'Trophy Rock' to the deer people and for horse owners. You can still buy them, they are sold at $1/lb by the rock." What a bunch of BS. What's wrong with just obtaining the natural rocks in the most natural way, right out of the mine.

At one time, I loved this country was proud of what our flag stood for, thought everybody should have a little more loyalty than they seemed to show. At the rate we're going, no wonder the rest of the world wants to use the American Flag for bung fodder when they run a little short of the real stuff. ???

simmyman67 · Jun 14, 2011

Well today everything has to be about ripping people off and trying to make as much money as possible. They can't just leave anything the way it is.

Telos · Jun 14, 2011

The World and this Country, it is a changing. Bob Dylan.

TJR · Jun 14, 2011

xxcc - Sounds like you should invest in a salt mine. Then you can feed salt any way you want. (or buy it any way you want)

knabe · Jun 14, 2011

xxcc said:
what in the hell is the matter with this country, ...and world for that matter? I have to vent. I used to do it in confidence with my buddy/business partner, but can't tell if I got stabbed in the back or the rear or both.

so what would you do if someone gave someone $8000 to buy some cattle at a 10% premium over market to "help" everyone out, and come to find they were never purchased from the person that someone said they were going to purchase them from and that person would never provide a receipt? would that be classified as a 1099 and report it to the IRS as income for the person who claimed to purchase the cattle? maybe they were purchased, maybe they weren't.

would venting be appropriate?

knabe · Jun 14, 2011

http://www.topratedadventures.com/Mfg/TrophyRock.htm

maybe raise some deer.

the ads say body mass increased. what happens with cattle taken off the miracle salt? is their body mass reduced?

xxcc · Jun 15, 2011

knabe said:
xxcc said:

I have to vent. I used to do it in confidence with my buddy/business partner, but can't tell if I got stabbed in the back or the rear or both.

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would venting be appropriate?

Well, I think venting would be appropriate. The difference is, with the salt, I know many of the details. the problem with my situation is, the person i was 'stabbed' by has been a confidaunt of mine since I was 8 years old. the ramifications of his actions have caused numerous problems to ripple throughout many of my dealings. maybe that's how the 'Trickle Down Effect' works. I don't know. I never liked Reagan anyway. But hey, if the shoe fits. (thumbsup)

http://www.trophyrock.com/about/

doesn't surprise me that Trophy Rock is giving away an Ohio Deer Hunt ...that's where my 'stabber' lives.

HVNR · Jun 15, 2011

Funny thing about deer hunters.... I think they are even more obsessed than us poor cattle people. They can spend money toward their obsession like its water, so to them a buck a pound for a salt rock is a minor expense. Seems like we all need a trophy to hang our hat on ours is just on the end of a halter rather than on the wall.

In illinois the last time I checked it is illegal to use bait/mineral/salt for deer, but boy at the Farm and Home there is a giant deer mineral display.

knabe · Jun 15, 2011

xxcc said:
doesn't surprise me that Trophy Rock is giving away an Ohio Deer Hunt ...that's where my 'stabber' lives.

the knife has always been in your hand and you are your own stabber.

hangonsloopy · Jun 15, 2011

I just want to vent about people these days bitching about evil companies making money. How hard is it to understand that if the demand is there to sell the stuff for 10 times what you were buying it for to market it to deer people then good for them, great marketing plan. If the demand is not there they will not do it. THIS IS HOW OUR GREAT COUNTRY WORKS.

GET A LIFE, work hard and find a way to sell whatever you are selling for 10 times what people "think" it is worth. The market will tell you if it can withstand that price or not.

qbcattle · Jun 15, 2011

My dad used to by hamburgers for a nickel and now look at what they have gone and done lol

mooch · Jun 15, 2011

qbcattle said:
My dad used to by hamburgers for a nickel and now look at what they have gone and done lol

He should have held onto them and sold now, he'd be rich!

GoWyo · Jun 15, 2011

If you don't like capitalism, there are places in the world where they generate 5-year plans about who supplies what. Under those economic systems, you might not be able to get salt at all - trophy grade or otherwise.

chambero · Jun 15, 2011

I don't know much specifically about the salt mining business, but all aspects of mining are heavily regulated and there is just a lot of expense associated with it in general. They are probably just doing what they have to in order to stay in business.

I wish I could buy bulk cedar fiber but the manufacturer refuses to sell it that way.

Out of curiousity, why do you feed unprocessed rock salt? Maybe its region specific, but every seminar or talk I here in Texas says to quit feeding salt to cattle and use true mineral supplements. We now use a custom made mineral tailored to our area that we buy from a vet in San Angelo. It's really not all that expensive.

SlickTxMaine · Jun 15, 2011

mooch said:
qbcattle said:

My dad used to by hamburgers for a nickel and now look at what they have gone and done lol

Click to expand...

He should have held onto them and sold now, he'd be rich!

Now that's funny!! (clapping)

blackcows · Jun 15, 2011

xxcc said:
what in the hell is the matter with this country, ...and world for that matter? I have to vent. I used to do it in confidence with my buddy/business partner, but can't tell if I got stabbed in the back or the rear or both.

so... I used to buy rock salt in bulk from a company in Utah. It came in 2000# bags for about $0.10/lb delivered. I phoned them this morning to arrange another load. The gal at the desk said, "we don't sell that salt that way anymore. For cattle, we only sell machined salt or pressed blocks that contain corn starch." upon inquiring why you can't get bulk rocks, she replied, "well, we have to hand pick those, they are 'sleeved' and 'polished' and marketed as 'Trophy Rock' to the deer people and for horse owners. You can still buy them, they are sold at $1/lb by the rock." What a bunch of BS. What's wrong with just obtaining the natural rocks in the most natural way, right out of the mine.

At one time, I loved this country was proud of what our flag stood for, thought everybody should have a little more loyalty than they seemed to show. At the rate we're going, no wonder the rest of the world wants to use the American Flag for bung fodder when they run a little short of the real stuff. ???

What you just described is what has made this country great, people taking a commodity and turning it into a value added product. Do you think it's unfair for people to sell $750 feeder cattle as $20,000 show steers?

xxcc · Jun 15, 2011

chambero said:
I don't know much specifically about the salt mining business, but all aspects of mining are heavily regulated and there is just a lot of expense associated with it in general. They are probably just doing what they have to in order to stay in business.

I wish I could buy bulk cedar fiber but the manufacturer refuses to sell it that way.

Out of curiousity, why do you feed unprocessed rock salt? Maybe its region specific, but every seminar or talk I here in Texas says to quit feeding salt to cattle and use true mineral supplements. We now use a custom made mineral tailored to our area that we buy from a vet in San Angelo. It's really not all that expensive.

I'm sure you're right about the regulation. I guess to me, the aggrevation stemmed from the fact that they used to sell it as rocks and are now being ignorant. The salt can still be purchased as the machined/ground salt for $0.10/lb, but is sold in unground rock for 10 times the price.

The rocks were natural and had trace minerals in them. They weathered well and essentially (for whatever reason) harmonized with nature. See, kind of like your comment this 'product' was a true supplement. I used to use only those rocks and it ran $0.10-.12/lb. now to buy salt and mineral, it runs about $30 / 100lb., about triple the cost. I guess ripping the arm of the consumer of because that's what the market will bear is what irks me. That's what has this country on it's knees. If it goes on much longer, we'll be damn lucky if we can get up. but hell, when someone's down, kick them in the teeth.

xxcc · Jun 15, 2011

blackcows said:
Do you think it's unfair for people to sell $750 feeder cattle as $20,000 show steers?

That's comparing apples and oranges. Is the purchase price for a $20,000 steer really to eat him? I doubt it. My bets are on the fact that it's some over subsidized Republican individual or business that needs a tax right off.

CAB · Jun 15, 2011

As far as salt in this country goes, Cargill has control of it. If the anti-trust laws were to be enforced, I don't believe that they could get by with what they have, but there are too many of these kinds of situations that go on day after day.

xxcc · Jun 15, 2011

If what you're saying is that the Cargill product is substandard, I agree. Here Vigortone is a good product, but spendy. The Cargill Emerald/Bronze/...yadda yadda is mostly salt. To me, it's one step up from witches brew.

rock salt - capitalism - disgust

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