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Saskvalley Yesterday
« on: January 08, 2018, 08:13:45 PM »
I have 2 shorthorn cows that I will be breeding in a few months.  I'm looking for a clean, maternal, sound bull that will add a bit of depth.  Will Yesterday do this for me?  I'm also thinking of Gilman's Envied.  Thoughts on these two?  Other suggestions of bulls that are easily available? 

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Re: Saskvalley Yesterday
« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2018, 08:38:20 PM »
Why not call up Gilman's and ask them?  They are very impressive people and tell it like it is.  They own Saskvalley Alliance and have also used Yesterday.  I saw Envied running with cows last summer, and he and his calves looked really good. 

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Re: Saskvalley Yesterday
« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2018, 08:39:38 PM »
JSF Gauge will also add depth.

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Re: Saskvalley Yesterday
« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2018, 09:01:27 PM »
I agree with Dale but I havent seen the cattle-I have heard Yesterday although very moderate is NOT the calving ease deal consistently-North Face is another one to look at along with the Gilman bull -I also like some others for various reasons depends upon how the cows are bred MY two favorite bulls right now are-little Cedar Final Four, and Mitches Eagle Eye-both are proven CE-very stout, thick, and deep- have really good cattle all the way back-and are WAY more eye appealing than straight Canadian-although Final Four goes back to an Alta Cedar Llilian-one of the all time really good female lines from up North O0
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Re: Saskvalley Yesterday
« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2018, 12:16:13 PM »
Thanks for mentioning Mitch's Eagle Eye here!

We purchased him a few years ago at the Iowa Royal Sale.  Just loved his look.  The scan data & performance really sealed the deal for us.  To date, all of our calves have been polled and born unassisted.  That being said, we are using him on cows rather than heifers.  We do have some Salute daughters and Bloodstone daughters  -  average birth weights in our cold weather has been about 90 lbs.  We are very excited to see what he will add to our Master Prince daughters as the BW and CE numbers there are very good . . . to the point that we were looking for a bit more power.

A few who came to look at calves last fall noticed the Eagle Eyes had more muscle.  We will be collecting scan data on progeny this spring.

We are so committed to Eagle Eye that we have collected sexed semen so that we can flush & A.I. a few of our favorite cows while he's in pasture with another group.  We're excited about adding these genetics to our cow herd. 

  ;)   Shameless plug . . . Eagle Eye available from Cattle Visions! 

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Re: Saskvalley Yesterday
« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2018, 12:28:37 PM »
Got any calf pics in the field? Like to see him or a couple of them from behind O0

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Re: Saskvalley Yesterday
« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2018, 03:47:11 PM »
We used Yesterday the first year he was available and have coming 3 year old cows, bred heifers, and yearling cattle all sired by him. We have been very pleased with the results, but I can confidently say he will not add depth. He will add muscle, marbling, and performance. I will attach a picture of twin yesterday daughters that will calve shortly to Saskvalley Task Force ( weaning photo).

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Re: Saskvalley Yesterday
« Reply #7 on: January 09, 2018, 07:40:35 PM »
Thank you for the info.  I'll take a look at Eagle Eye (got any pics to share?)as well and I will also contact Gilmans.  I'm not necessarily looking for CE...more bulls that make good cows while also be sound and functional.  (clapping)

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Re: Saskvalley Yesterday
« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2018, 08:14:57 PM »
Here he is and a caf or 2 - Theres  one on  Bollums sale (coach who owns him- lot 1 -Red White Roan Sale to your left above cattle visions  in the ads ) but I think alot of them would be deeper-shes got a butt tho Id say from him. O0
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Re: Saskvalley Yesterday
« Reply #9 on: January 10, 2018, 12:13:05 PM »
Heres Final 4 and one of a handfull of really good daughters-She is out of a 1st calf heifer- also won her division at Louisville and Champ at the recent Michigan show and shes young yet-A bull should do all the functional things you mentioned above ESPECIALLY CALVING EASE  AND produce marketable progeny-These 2 do all that:and they go back to very good functional cattle both sides and have reliable EPDS due to their respective backgrounds O0
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Re: Saskvalley Yesterday
« Reply #10 on: January 10, 2018, 01:37:23 PM »
Why are these Maine cross show bulls being suggesting when the OP is asking about production bloodlines to make good momma cows?

You cant go wrong with Envied. A genuine cow maker pedigree and the functional phenotype to back it up.  His daughters have been standouts in every sale Ive seen them in.


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Re: Saskvalley Yesterday
« Reply #11 on: January 10, 2018, 03:23:10 PM »
In the first place neither one of these bulls were showed and have been out breeding cows-Final Four is also owned by a Texas outfit-so he may have been back and forth.Look at the rest of the pedigrees on the cows sides-and then at  DMCC LTD Edition et al.Ive seen 3-4 generations of Eagle Eyes dam-grandam etc in person and other members out of different sires-Dan Mitchell has had good functional cattle for 30 years that I know of:so have Fischers who produced his sire.Final Fours grandam dam is as good a Canadian bred cow as there is. And the one heifer pictured is a first calf-the best of the first ones Ive seen so far was a very young one on Schombergs recent sale-and his cattle are run commercially and documented. DMCC LTD Edition  has sired a huge number of good cows and EZ calving genetics for over 20 years and literally helped bring the breed back from near commercial oblivian -Today alot of the functional  Maines are as good as any breed out there-with real numbers to substantiate it.And as this site generally suggests and is geared towards-you can also show these cattle which would certainly open up some avenues of income to many breeders-even for county fair deals. O0
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Re: Saskvalley Yesterday
« Reply #12 on: January 10, 2018, 05:27:39 PM »
In the first place neither one of these bulls were showed and have been out breeding cows-Final Four is also owned by a Texas outfit-so he may have been back and forth.Look at the rest of the pedigrees on the cows sides-and then at  DMCC LTD Edition et al.Ive seen 3-4 generations of Eagle Eyes dam-grandam etc in person and other members out of different sires-Dan Mitchell has had good functional cattle for 30 years that I know of:so have Fischers who produced his sire.Final Fours grandam dam is as good a Canadian bred cow as there is. And the one heifer pictured is a first calf-the best of the first ones Ive seen so far was a very young one on Schombergs recent sale-and his cattle are run commercially and documented. DMCC LTD Edition  has sired a huge number of good cows and EZ calving genetics for over 20 years and literally helped bring the breed back from near commercial oblivian -Today alot of the functional  Maines are as good as any breed out there-with real numbers to substantiate it.And as this site generally suggests and is geared towards-you can also show these cattle which would certainly open up some avenues of income to many breeders-even for county fair deals. O0

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Re: Saskvalley Yesterday
« Reply #13 on: January 10, 2018, 09:57:07 PM »

In the first place neither one of these bulls were showed and have been out breeding cows-Final Four is also owned by a Texas outfit-so he may have been back and forth.Look at the rest of the pedigrees on the cows sides-and then at  DMCC LTD Edition et al.Ive seen 3-4 generations of Eagle Eyes dam-grandam etc in person and other members out of different sires-Dan Mitchell has had good functional cattle for 30 years that I know of:so have Fischers who produced his sire.Final Fours grandam dam is as good a Canadian bred cow as there is. And the one heifer pictured is a first calf-the best of the first ones Ive seen so far was a very young one on Schombergs recent sale-and his cattle are run commercially and documented. DMCC LTD Edition  has sired a huge number of good cows and EZ calving genetics for over 20 years and literally helped bring the breed back from near commercial oblivian -Today alot of the functional  Maines are as good as any breed out there-with real numbers to substantiate it.And as this site generally suggests and is geared towards-you can also show these cattle which would certainly open up some avenues of income to many breeders-even for county fair deals. O0


* Maine cross show bloodlines, not (show) bulls, may have been better wordage.  I think if youll look to the breeding and breeders of the two initial bulls in question, youll see none of these folks are using the TYPE of bull you suggest.  It would stand to reason thats theres good REASON why this is the case.
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Re: Saskvalley Yesterday
« Reply #14 on: January 11, 2018, 07:02:45 AM »
The progeny and numbers speak for any bulls. I know all of the people involved on both sides of the pedigrees including Tim loudoun who came up with Red Rewards sire. The only one I dont know is John Sullivan. But the Rockdale Margie dam to  Red Reward comes out of is a Goldxmargie-that aint popular show breeding. In fact I would guess you have Gold in your cattle-and the ones youy used that are close to Enticer have nearly as much maine in them as Eagle eye. I had 30 head of cattle with Mark Mueller-the breeder of LTD Edition-and have hung out over there since 1991. Ive seen the Hartman Countess cows. Hartman and my partner Lawrence Grathwohl were very good friends and I went along and looked as far back as the early 90s.-Deertrail Countess (who I later owned) was a main influence -maybe that's where the Countess name came from. -Does the realization that there is a great big world of usefull  cattle outside your "barn" make you uncomfortable? Like multi tasking? The bovine world is very fluid.Cognitive dissonance over different types and assuming their roles and or direction without a closeup basis  will do nothing but narrow things-maybe your cattle-certainly  your perceptions.  O0
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