Shadybrook Scotty 83K calves, and other!

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vanridge

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Your herd is looking really nice!
But your killin' me with these pictures of green, green grass in December!  ;)
Don't know too much about the double muscling thing, but I think that the Telestar 151 calf is just well developed in the hind quarter....
 

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mark tenenbaum said:
You need to do a Justintime-and export embryos on that horned Bessie cow-COWABUNGA shes good O0
Unfortunately it doesn't work that way!

Africa is the hotbed of diseases, read human HIV, Dengue Fever et al, bovine Rift Valley Fever, Rinderpest, Foot and Mouth et al, but we in South Africa have some of the most stringent import criteria for genetics in the world, I believe!

Most animals qualifying for genetic export to most European and N. American countries need to undergo further quarantine to be eligible for export to S. Africa.

I looked at some Argentinian genetics a couple of years ago.  There seems to be some tit-for-tat diplomatic spat between the countries and that is an absolute no-go!

Genetic imports at reasonable prices are dependant on the major genetics companies like CRI/Genex otherwise the private route, at a much higher cost.  There are probably only less than about 1000 pedigree Beef Shorthorn cows in S. Africa currently, from being one of the most popular breeds in the 60/70's.  They have mostly been crossed to make composites, including Bonsmaras, Santa Gertrudis, Beefmasters and Stormbergers.

I still believe there is both a fashion and marketing component to breed popularity and that it is also cyclical.

I also believe that the marketing strategy is still to try and follow a polled, red phenotype, that is the Angus's biggest advantage, polled progeny!  Dehorning for me always seems to be scheduled for the hottest day of the year, although this year I was rained out for the first time ever!

That said, Shorthorns still pay the bills although good prices for quality bulls would be the cherry on top!
 

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Duncraggan said:
mark tenenbaum said:
You need to do a Justintime-and export embryos on that horned Bessie cow-COWABUNGA shes good O0
Unfortunately it doesn't work that way!

Africa is the hotbed of diseases, read human HIV, Dengue Fever et al, bovine Rift Valley Fever, Rinderpest, Foot and Mouth et al, but we in South Africa have some of the most stringent import criteria for genetics in the world, I believe!

Most animals qualifying for genetic export to most European and N. American countries need to undergo further quarantine to be eligible for export to S. Africa.

I looked at some Argentinian genetics a couple of years ago.  There seems to be some tit-for-tat diplomatic spat between the countries and that is an absolute no-go!

Genetic imports at reasonable prices are dependant on the major genetics companies like CRI/Genex otherwise the private route, at a much higher cost.  There are probably only less than about 1000 pedigree Beef Shorthorn cows in S. Africa currently, from being one of the most popular breeds in the 60/70's.  They have mostly been crossed to make composites, including Bonsmaras, Santa Gertrudis, Beefmasters and Stormbergers.

I still believe there is both a fashion and marketing component to breed popularity and that it is also cyclical.

I also believe that the marketing strategy is still to try and follow a polled, red phenotype, that is the Angus's biggest advantage, polled progeny!  Dehorning for me always seems to be scheduled for the hottest day of the year, although this year I was rained out for the first time ever!

That said, Shorthorns still pay the bills although good prices for quality bulls would be the cherry on top!

sounds like an interesting breed...
 

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blackdiamond said:
Duncraggan said:
mark tenenbaum said:
You need to do a Justintime-and export embryos on that horned Bessie cow-COWABUNGA shes good O0
Unfortunately it doesn't work that way!

Africa is the hotbed of diseases, read human HIV, Dengue Fever et al, bovine Rift Valley Fever, Rinderpest, Foot and Mouth et al, but we in South Africa have some of the most stringent import criteria for genetics in the world, I believe!

Most animals qualifying for genetic export to most European and N. American countries need to undergo further quarantine to be eligible for export to S. Africa.

I looked at some Argentinian genetics a couple of years ago.  There seems to be some tit-for-tat diplomatic spat between the countries and that is an absolute no-go!

Genetic imports at reasonable prices are dependant on the major genetics companies like CRI/Genex otherwise the private route, at a much higher cost.  There are probably only less than about 1000 pedigree Beef Shorthorn cows in S. Africa currently, from being one of the most popular breeds in the 60/70's.  They have mostly been crossed to make composites, including Bonsmaras, Santa Gertrudis, Beefmasters and Stormbergers.

I still believe there is both a fashion and marketing component to breed popularity and that it is also cyclical.

I also believe that the marketing strategy is still to try and follow a polled, red phenotype, that is the Angus's biggest advantage, polled progeny!  Dehorning for me always seems to be scheduled for the hottest day of the year, although this year I was rained out for the first time ever!

That said, Shorthorns still pay the bills although good prices for quality bulls would be the cherry on top!

sounds like an interesting breed...

It originated in the Stormberg area, a range of mountains in the Eastern Cape Province of South Africa.  Apparently the farm Buffelshoek in the area is the coldest spot in South Africa.  From what I understand, it is a group-breeding scheme in the region with a heavy Shorthorn and Lincoln Red influence amongst others.  I think the same group is involved in a grassfed beef brand by the same name.
 

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Duncraggan said:
mark tenenbaum said:
You need to do a Justintime-and export embryos on that horned Bessie cow-COWABUNGA shes good O0
Unfortunately it doesn't work that way!

Africa is the hotbed of diseases, read human HIV, Dengue Fever et al, bovine Rift Valley Fever, Rinderpest, Foot and Mouth et al, but we in South Africa have some of the most stringent import criteria for genetics in the world, I believe!

Most animals qualifying for genetic export to most European and N. American countries need to undergo further quarantine to be eligible for export to S. Africa.

I looked at some Argentinian genetics a couple of years ago.  There seems to be some tit-for-tat diplomatic spat between the countries and that is an absolute no-go!

Genetic imports at reasonable prices are dependant on the major genetics companies like CRI/Genex otherwise the private route, at a much higher cost.  There are probably only less than about 1000 pedigree Beef Shorthorn cows in S. Africa currently, from being one of the most popular breeds in the 60/70's.  They have mostly been crossed to make composites, including Bonsmaras, Santa Gertrudis, Beefmasters and Stormbergers.

I still believe there is both a fashion and marketing component to breed popularity and that it is also cyclical.

I also believe that the marketing strategy is still to try and follow a polled, red phenotype, that is the Angus's biggest advantage, polled progeny!  Dehorning for me always seems to be scheduled for the hottest day of the year, although this year I was rained out for the first time ever!

That said, Shorthorns still pay the bills although good prices for quality bulls would be the cherry on top!


Reading your comments this means to me that you was in Brazil!!!

Here also have one of the worst sanitary problems and have one of the hardiers import protocols for import. Australians when hear that we wish some genetics shut out our mails. Some for UK.

Do you tryed to check protocols Brazil/S.Africa? I'm inserting some full Argentinan blood embryos here and will have some genetics available in two years, also have in my semen bank some good Argentinian bulls as well as old genetics that will work very well on grass.
 

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Cabanha Santa Isabel - BR said:

Reading your comments this means to me that you was in Brazil!!!

Here also have one of the worst sanitary problems and have one of the hardiers import protocols for import. Australians when hear that we wish some genetics shut out our mails. Some for UK.

Do you tryed to check protocols Brazil/S.Africa? I'm inserting some full Argentinan blood embryos here and will have some genetics available in two years, also have in my semen bank some good Argentinian bulls as well as old genetics that will work very well on grass.
I will get on to that when the holiday season is over on 07 January 2013.  That is generally when everyone gets back to work after Christmas.

Had a good look at the pictures of Shorthorns and Lincoln Red Shorthorns on your website and liked them.  I saw Stonmour Thundercloud at the last Royal Show in 2009, good bull considering his 100% pure status.

Where abouts are you in Brazil, down south near Argentina?
 

Cabanha Santa Isabel - BR

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Duncraggan said:
Cabanha Santa Isabel - BR said:

Reading your comments this means to me that you was in Brazil!!!

Here also have one of the worst sanitary problems and have one of the hardiers import protocols for import. Australians when hear that we wish some genetics shut out our mails. Some for UK.

Do you tryed to check protocols Brazil/S.Africa? I'm inserting some full Argentinan blood embryos here and will have some genetics available in two years, also have in my semen bank some good Argentinian bulls as well as old genetics that will work very well on grass.
I will get on to that when the holiday season is over on 07 January 2013.  That is generally when everyone gets back to work after Christmas.

Had a good look at the pictures of Shorthorns and Lincoln Red Shorthorns on your website and liked them.  I saw Stonmour Thundercloud at the last Royal Show in 2009, good bull considering his 100% pure status.

Where abouts are you in Brazil, down south near Argentina?

I knew Thunder Cloud in farm on 2010. Liked much him, medium framed bull, lots of meat. Have two heifers (embryos collect two weeks ago) and a bull calf that is very interest. To me is a outcross very interest.

I live in southern Brazil, 220 km from Uruguay. Argentina is so far for me, around 700 km on road. Yearly I visited Palermo show there and already judge on Prado (Montevideo - Uruguay). My city is Rio Grande, look at google to have an idea where I'm from.

As you check my site you saw all availale genetics from SHO and LIR that I own.

Best 2013!
 

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Here's my Scotty cow.... out of a Broughton Park Baron 3 first calver (during the drought) and with a bull calf by a son of Belmore Jackaroo Z109 (a Scotty son) that performed well in the carcase comp he was entered in.
 

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I saw, if I remember correctly, that Jackaroo has a massive EMA.  Seems to have made his way over the Pacific as well!

I only have one female in production so far and she produces an above average calf every year, four so far.

I retained four of the last five of his progeny this year, 2M and 2F.  The bulls are well above average, the heifers only just average.
 

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Duncraggan said:
I saw, if I remember correctly, that Jackaroo has a massive EMA.  Seems to have made his way over the Pacific as well!

I only have one female in production so far and she produces an above average calf every year, four so far.

I retained four of the last five of his progeny this year, 2M and 2F.  The bulls are well above average, the heifers only just average.

Z109 does have a huge EMA... here's his latest EBVs. In fact, he's a trait leader for four traits.

My Scotty cow seems to hit the mark each joining, don't think she's had a bad calf yet!
 

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I had a great year, 2012, for Scotty 83K progeny!

Below is the son I kept to use, D. Tarantino 159, our junior herdsire. His partner/maternal halfbrother by Spry's All Gold D052 is the senior herdsire. Collected 200+doses of semen last August for further use as well.

I expect his first calf within the next few days.

Only criticism I have is that he is horned, good muscle expression and a slick coat more than make up for that!
 

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