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Re: Shell Oil Company
« Reply #15 on: January 31, 2008, 08:58:17 PM »
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Re: Shell Oil Company
« Reply #16 on: January 31, 2008, 10:42:15 PM »
High oil prices reflect the rise in demand not who's in the White House. It could just as easily be said that the real spike in oil prices happened after the Dems gained control of Congress. And thus the flip side would be, that when viewed in a historical context, Ronald Reagan gave us the cheapest.

The cause is us people.

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Have to say to a point that may true. But, it is also artificially elevated and manipulated by the reserves and the stock market.
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« Reply #17 on: January 31, 2008, 11:13:03 PM »
I think every president we have ever had in my lifetime got blamed for what happen in the world.

I don't like the media for always pointing to the President, what ever one has been in office, and blasting away with both barrels.

I have always tried to vote for the person who I thought would help America the most.  I have voted for Republicans, Democrats, and Independents in my life time.  

I also think most people are blind to what the candidate they voted for has as weaknesses.  If we have show cattle we should know the animals strengths and weaknesses but in candidates we seem to think it means we failed if the candidate has a fault.  We do not use that logic with employees and that is all an elected official is.  I voted for Nixon and Reagan once.  I think that Nixon did more for farmers and worked with both sides of the isle than any republican or democrat in my lifetime.  I feel that Clinton worked with both sides but he was not as strong in helping the farm community.  Carter got great prices for the farmers but his interest rates under his administration hurt the farmers and when the prices dropped during Reagan's term those high interst rates killed the farmers who owe lots of money.  I know the interest rates went to the lowest that they had been in years under Reagan, but the prices dropped first then the rates followed and for those on the cutting edge this was a killer, because they had borrowed money to build hog parlors and milk barns and could not make the big payments.  I was on the AMPI board at the time and the dairy industry was really hurt especially for young families who did not have lots of parental help.  We were really dumb and gave everyone running for the final elections contributions and got no votes in either house.  I tried to tell them this would not work, but no one listened.

We also have a tendency to pass on e-mail junk mail cutting a candidate that we do not like without checking it out to see if it is true.  We call this morality????
I got one this week and three last week from "Christian" people and asked both of them to look it up and read it on snopes.  One wrote back and said the flag was green for one of the 4 things they had sent me, so they were right.  They never read it to see what it said.  I am not for the candidate in question but think honesty in our own dealings far out weighs what some body wrote about a candidate.

I do not like the party system because when it comes to push or shove, many candidates will vote the way the party says, rather than what the voters in their district want.  My friend was elected to the state house and he told teachers how he would vote on some issues, but when those hit the floor he voted the other way and was reminded that his party had paid a quarter million to get him to beat the incumbent.  He had the integrity to call and tell the teachers why he voted the way he did.  Had he been really honest he would have voted in agreement with what he told his constituents and told the party if they did not like his vote they could find another candidate the next term.  We have one Senator in Texas I really like, Kay Bailey Hutchinson.  She does exactly what she says and says what she feels.  I think that too much attention is paid to hired guns in Washington and the state capitals in America.  If I were in office, I would not listen to the Farm Bureau or Exxon, but to Tom, Jill, Sue, Mary, Paul, and Bill.  For that reason, I will never be elected.

P. S.  Fuel prices escalated before the democrats got control of either house.  The point I was making is that rural America is in trouble unless we can elect candidates that will have a genuine concern for our future.  Oil people got that done, but will we.  I certainly do not believe Mr. Bush is responsible for terror in the world.  I was and continue to be 100% behind getting after Ben Laden.
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Re: Shell Oil Company
« Reply #18 on: January 31, 2008, 11:32:38 PM »
 I think that too much attention is paid to hired guns in Washington and the state capitals in America.  If I were in office, I would not listen to the Farm Bureau or Exxon, but to Tom, Jill, Sue, Mary, Paul, and Bill.  For that reason, I will never be elected.

this is why i think the beltway should be dismantled.   move'm home, put their office on main street and get'em a high speed internet connection and a web cam.  i think that bumbing into their constituents would do this country a whole lot of good.  big business is done that way everyday and all around the world.
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« Reply #19 on: February 01, 2008, 08:46:04 AM »
  move'm home, put their office on main street

it was originally set up this way.  just like every other piece of government our founders set up to curb the excesses of government, it has been dismantled incrmentally.

the public refuses to get involved in local politics at a level sufficient to overcome the generational cycle of the parties which easily exceeds individuals life cycle.

with basically no local accountability, the obvious has happened.

the founders valued local government, and it was difficult to get TO washington, and there wasn't a long enough legislative session to make endless subsidies.

issues were usually larger in scope, rather than time to think about fining someone $70,000 for burning in their fireplace.

interesting clinton said the other day we need to curb growth to curb global warming.  only one thing is necessary for that, a static population.






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Re: Shell Oil Company
« Reply #20 on: February 01, 2008, 05:38:39 PM »
 Exxonmobil just reported profits of $40.6 BILLION , all time record. You get rid of all the ILLEGAL immigrants then we sure as heck would be using a lot less fuel .
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« Reply #21 on: February 01, 2008, 06:10:41 PM »
In some ways the oil business is almost obscene in the money that is being made. In my area, many of the oil wells being drilled ,have produced enough oil to pay for the drilling costs by the time the pipe is pulled and the drilling rig is moved off the site. For those fortunate to have oil rights, it has made many people multi millionaires in a very short time. I have a good friend who farms close to me, who makes 1 million a week from oil. There are many in the purebred cattle industry in Canada who have built their herds with oil money.

Many so called experts are predicting oil to high $150 a barrel in the next few years, which is over 50% more than it is right now. If that is the case, we will really see a change in the way we do things. One of my neighbours told me recently that his fuel bill during harvest last fall was $1400 a day. That may be OK with today's grain prices but grain is bound to drop again probably as soon as some country has a bumper crop again. Add these fuel prices to $400,000 combines, $325,000 Tractors and $185,000 air seeders etc etc etc, and farming appears to be a bigger game of chance than those offered in Vegas.

A tool push on a drilling rig recently told me that he had increased the wages $10 per hour right across the board, in hopes of getting enough workers. I asked if he would put that in terms that I could understand and he said that this means a kid out of high school washing equipment with a water hose would clear about $4000 a month. Someone who had worked on the rig for 5 years would average about $10,000 a month. Besides this, they have health benefits and there  is also an unwritten rule on the rigs that workers can fill their trucks with diesel fuel, from the drilling rig tanks. That is why you never see a gas truck at a rig site. I asked this guy why he was having so much trouble getting enough workers at those wages and he said " the reason is that every time we do a random drug test we lose about 1/2 of our workers". I guess that is a sign of the times. Personally, I think that if I had a chance to make $10,000 a month after working for 5 years, that I would be satisfied with having a beer on my day off, and be able to resist using drugs.

The problem that most of us in agriculture in the US and Canada have, is that we are very dependent on oil and its byproducts. Most everything we do, involves driving several miles. The next few years are going to get " very interesting".
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Re: Shell Oil Company
« Reply #22 on: February 01, 2008, 09:05:43 PM »
Justintime:
Last year a rig drilled a well near my step-mother's place that I work...she owned 1/4 of the well.  It had a great showing but they could not make a well out of it.  The rig was moved 2 miles north and they had a GREAT showing but it didn't make a well.  The owners of the rig had an unannounced drug test.  The driller got back his results......  he was pregnant, the rest of his crew failed the test.  All were fired, and I guess the driller got a double whammy, as his girlfriend was pregnant and he had no job.  They moved the rig over 20 yards and hit a tremendous well but have not come back to near our place.
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« Reply #23 on: February 01, 2008, 09:13:54 PM »
I dont know if it has been stated or not but, another big reason the gas prices are so high is our wonderful government and enviromentalists! They have it so NO ONE can build a refinery in the US. It is regulated so hard that it is not worth it for any company to build or they the govt just will not allow it. So in a way we are shooting ourselves in the foot in the US. We want our land to be perfect and we are not willing to give any to get any in return. By "we" I mean enviromentalists and all the tree huggers!
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Re: Shell Oil Company
« Reply #24 on: February 01, 2008, 10:03:27 PM »
that neighbor that hadn't started his tractor all winter sounds like a genious when you look at it that way.

In some ways the oil business is almost obscene in the money that is being made. In my area, many of the oil wells being drilled ,have produced enough oil to pay for the drilling costs by the time the pipe is pulled and the drilling rig is moved off the site. For those fortunate to have oil rights, it has made many people multi millionaires in a very short time. I have a good friend who farms close to me, who makes 1 million a week from oil. There are many in the purebred cattle industry in Canada who have built their herds with oil money.

Many so called experts are predicting oil to high $150 a barrel in the next few years, which is over 50% more than it is right now. If that is the case, we will really see a change in the way we do things. One of my neighbours told me recently that his fuel bill during harvest last fall was $1400 a day. That may be OK with today's grain prices but grain is bound to drop again probably as soon as some country has a bumper crop again. Add these fuel prices to $400,000 combines, $325,000 Tractors and $185,000 air seeders etc etc etc, and farming appears to be a bigger game of chance than those offered in Vegas.

A tool push on a drilling rig recently told me that he had increased the wages $10 per hour right across the board, in hopes of getting enough workers. I asked if he would put that in terms that I could understand and he said that this means a kid out of high school washing equipment with a water hose would clear about $4000 a month. Someone who had worked on the rig for 5 years would average about $10,000 a month. Besides this, they have health benefits and there  is also an unwritten rule on the rigs that workers can fill their trucks with diesel fuel, from the drilling rig tanks. That is why you never see a gas truck at a rig site. I asked this guy why he was having so much trouble getting enough workers at those wages and he said " the reason is that every time we do a random drug test we lose about 1/2 of our workers". I guess that is a sign of the times. Personally, I think that if I had a chance to make $10,000 a month after working for 5 years, that I would be satisfied with having a beer on my day off, and be able to resist using drugs.

The problem that most of us in agriculture in the US and Canada have, is that we are very dependent on oil and its byproducts. Most everything we do, involves driving several miles. The next few years are going to get " very interesting".
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Re: Shell Oil Company
« Reply #25 on: February 03, 2008, 01:02:24 AM »
Two Words - Fuel Cells

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Re: Shell Oil Company
« Reply #26 on: February 03, 2008, 04:14:37 PM »
"Static Population"

Don't they practice that in China?

Can you fully explain your theories? My 'Hillbilly' mind can't fathom controlling the population, without equating this idea to EXTREME Government intervention into our personal lives.

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Re: Shell Oil Company
« Reply #27 on: February 03, 2008, 10:45:52 PM »
Has anyone seen the new movie "There will be blood"?  FYI, its loosely based on Upton Sinclair's Oil! The quote near the end:  I drink your milshake! I drink it up! --Much like shell oil only with our dollars as a milkshake.
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« Reply #28 on: February 04, 2008, 11:51:03 AM »
"Static Population"

Don't they practice that in China?

Can you fully explain your theories? My 'Hillbilly' mind can't fathom controlling the population, without equating this idea to EXTREME Government intervention into our personal lives.

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japan does a pretty good job controlling population, so does europe.  it doesn't have to come from the government as in china, and they are in a population panic.

basically you can "control" population by not subsidizing it and increasing incentives for responsibility.
one could do this by eliminating the child tax credit after 2 kids.
enforcing zoning laws
illegals (of any race) entering a market, by it's very nature, requires more kids and more of them living in the currently zoned restrictions.

take away the incentives and people will have less kids, in general.  we did in america, and now the tables are being turned for both votes and cheaper labor.  nurses and teachers from the philippines at cut rate salaries to teach americans and provide health care is going to be another thing california gives you.  they can't, by percentages communicate with the people being served because of their cultural differences.

we just refuse to "subsidize" legal behavior.  its' really as simple as that.  bush chose to subsidize illegal behavior, all the while proclaiming to be a law abiding citizen.  he had an illegal alien housekeeper for years.  senators lost their jobs over this, but bush was able to keep it quiet.


ponzi schemes are the most underreported and least identified tax draining, vote diliuting practice in the world today.

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« Reply #29 on: February 04, 2008, 12:08:00 PM »
Filipina Nurses are already in NW AR. Especially in Harrison and Mountain Home, at those two hospitals.

 

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