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Title: shorthorn ai sires
Post by: the angus111 on July 14, 2007, 04:03:11 PM
i need a shorthorn sire that will add frame and is calving ease,also th free.feast on that all you shortie experts.rusty
Title: Re: shorthorn ai sires
Post by: red on July 14, 2007, 04:05:38 PM
by far no Shorthorn expert, so not sure about his BW's but what about Red Vision?
I always liked his calves that I've seen.

Red
Title: Re: shorthorn ai sires
Post by: Olson Family Shorthorns on July 14, 2007, 04:21:33 PM
Not sure if I would use Red Vision for calving ease, he is out of Double Vision, and you can get some big ones out of DV and his sons.  You need frame and no genetic defects, you say...hmmmmm.   CCC Gold Rush is an excellent bull and can be used on heifers.  I bought a bull out of him and I'm  really happy with him.  Also, if you can get the semen, Studer's Prince James is also a very good bull and can give you some very nice calves.
Title: Re: shorthorn ai sires
Post by: the angus111 on July 14, 2007, 04:28:49 PM
a little more info ,she is thc,out of double vision.you can see her on aegerters site and she is out of my 207 donor,that is on our site.rusty
Title: Re: shorthorn ai sires
Post by: Olson Family Shorthorns on July 14, 2007, 05:01:25 PM
a little more info ,she is thc,out of double vision.you can see her on aegerters site and she is out of my 207 donor,that is on our site.rusty

Well, I looked at the picture and decided that she is a really good heifer from what I can see.  Gold Rush would work on her I think...He is the sire of Schrag's newest bull (Deadwood), and also the sire of our new herd bull, DMS Magic Man...Perhaps that is a name to remember, because we think he can sire the right kind of calves when he gets a little older..

CCC Gold Rush is out of  Armstrong Gold, and a Trump cow..He goes back to some great bulls such as Improver 57 and  Rodeo Drive.  If you want to see a picture and learn more about Gold Rush, go to www.diamondmshorthorns.com and look at the Herd Sires page.  He is a very impressive animal.  Also, I encourage you to get in contact with either Dave or Stu McFarland if you are serious about using him.  They are really nice folks and will help you out any way they can. 
Title: Re: shorthorn ai sires
Post by: Cowfarmer65 on July 14, 2007, 10:48:45 PM
Hi all. It's nice to see someone that is looking to steer clear of the th plagued sires. Perhaps you should take a look at some truly appendix free sires from Canada
Title: Re: shorthorn ai sires
Post by: OH Breeder on July 14, 2007, 10:59:35 PM
AA 111 I am not sure what sites you are referencing? Where is the sight of the heifer located and what is your sight?
I might have an answer for you once I see her.
Title: Re: shorthorn ai sires
Post by: maine12 on July 14, 2007, 11:08:26 PM
www.rustywilliamscattle.com
Title: Re: shorthorn ai sires
Post by: the angus111 on July 15, 2007, 05:12:05 AM
OH BREEDER, the sw pigguy is correct,the heifer is the double vision on aegerters website under private treaty listings.my 207 is on my donors page.rusty
Title: Re: shorthorn ai sires
Post by: red on July 15, 2007, 06:27:54 AM
 (welcome) cowfarmer65!
Title: Re: shorthorn ai sires
Post by: SRU on July 15, 2007, 09:47:23 AM
i am intrigued by TM Gus owned by Fishers in KS.
Title: Re: shorthorn ai sires
Post by: ELBEE on July 15, 2007, 10:09:01 AM
Rusty, if ever your north of Manhattan, come look at our Titan calves!
Title: Re: shorthorn ai sires
Post by: the angus111 on July 15, 2007, 10:36:03 AM
Elbee, thanks I need to head up that direction,itk used to brag about the shorties up northeast.who is  handling Titan semen?RUSTY
Title: Re: shorthorn ai sires
Post by: justintime on July 15, 2007, 11:56:10 AM
Rusty, 
Not sure exactly what you are looking for, but Saskvalley Pioneer 126P may interest you. He was 2006 Canadian National Champion and won Supreme over all breeds at Lloydminster against many of the best bulls of other breeds. He is TH free, and smooth polled. So far all calves have been polled and all have been unassisted at birth. He's what I would call a moderate framed bull but still weighed 2100 at 25 months and was 2410 at 32 months. We lost him in April . He was extremely sound on his feet and legs and had 46 cm testicles. He was intensely line bred so he should breed pretty true. So far, we are really pleased with his calves. They are some of our very best. We have semen at Hawkeye.
Title: Re: shorthorn ai sires
Post by: shortdawg on July 15, 2007, 04:29:19 PM
After seeing him in person, I was impressed with WHR (RT?) Spike Junior. He is sired by AR SU LU Golden Spike out of the famed SS Augusta Pride 3127. Spike is a heifer bull used by Cates and WHR. I have used him successfully on heifers but he does downsize a little. I don't think Spike Junior will do much downsizing. That Gold Rush bull would also be a good option; I've seen some good calves out of him.
Title: Re: shorthorn ai sires
Post by: sjcattleco on July 15, 2007, 07:05:23 PM
After seeing him in person, I was impressed with WHR (RT?) Spike Junior. He is sired by AR SU LU Golden Spike out of the famed SS Augusta Pride 3127. Spike is a heifer bull used by Cates and WHR. I have used him successfully on heifers but he does downsize a little. I don't think Spike Junior will do much downsizing. That Gold Rush bull would also be a good option; I've seen some good calves out of him.

Short

the shorthorn breed needs to change soo bad its scary and IMO any serious breeder does not see that is holding the breed back!!! I was at our state show and the number of cattle that were too tall, out of balance, long necked, frail and dairy appearing was unbelieveable..Bulls and heifers alike.... And these were show cattle shown by people that have been in the breed for years.....Scares me to death....If I did not like my horns soo much I would own Red Angus cows.   The original post wanting a bull to add frame and calving ease??? there are not 10 cows in North America that need to have frame added to them... I can't stress enough that these cattle need to be wider to add weight and performance NOT TALLER!!!!! Also we can't use the same old stuff for the last 15-20 yrs and expect that to work because it really hasn't so why keep trying? 
Title: Re: shorthorn ai sires
Post by: the angus111 on July 15, 2007, 07:25:10 PM
sj, the reason i wanted to mate her to a sire to add frame is because i would like to keep her and she is borderline lowliner.if shorties wanted to start lowlines she might be a founding dam.the shorties i see have no problem with volume .i have two that have plenty of guts.come to some jackpots in oklahoma and you will see width.i dont think a 800# at the most should be calving out 100#calves.rusty
Title: Re: shorthorn ai sires
Post by: Doc on July 15, 2007, 07:32:17 PM
After seeing him in person, I was impressed with WHR (RT?) Spike Junior. He is sired by AR SU LU Golden Spike out of the famed SS Augusta Pride 3127. Spike is a heifer bull used by Cates and WHR. I have used him successfully on heifers but he does downsize a little. I don't think Spike Junior will do much downsizing. That Gold Rush bull would also be a good option; I've seen some good calves out of him.

Short

the shorthorn breed needs to change soo bad its scary and IMO any serious breeder does not see that is holding the breed back!!! I was at our state show and the number of cattle that were too tall, out of balance, long necked, frail and dairy appearing was unbelieveable..Bulls and heifers alike.... And these were show cattle shown by people that have been in the breed for years.....Scares me to death....If I did not like my horns soo much I would own Red Angus cows.   The original post wanting a bull to add frame and calving ease??? there are not 10 cows in North America that need to have frame added to them... I can't stress enough that these cattle need to be wider to add weight and performance NOT TALLER!!!!! Also we can't use the same old stuff for the last 15-20 yrs and expect that to work because it really hasn't so why keep trying? 

  SJ , I don't understand how we can supposedly have soo many problems with the breed but yet you are willing to keep raising them. I definitely don't think that the Red Angus breed is the answer to all of our prayers & the perfect breed. But if that is what floats your boat then I say go for it & change breeds.As far as looking for a bull for a heifer I would be looking for an easy calver & one that will maintain frame score. Get that 1st calf on the ground alive & without hurting the mother. I don't disagree with you that a lot of cattle today need to be wider based(not all of them) but I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with you that there aren't any cattle out there needing to have frame added to them. I also don't understand how the same old stuff hasn't worked for the last 15-20 years but yet there is quite a few people that make a living with Shorthorn cattle, so obviously it has worked for them. :)
Title: Re: shorthorn ai sires
Post by: DL on July 15, 2007, 07:50:52 PM
Doc - I agreed with your other post an dI pretty much agree with this one here.

Blanket statements about how there aren't 10 Shorthorn cows in all of America (how about Canada) that need to add frame is not really helpful when someone who knows what they want and has aprogram asks for assistance - The A3 - I am waiting on Gozmo to decrease frame and hopefully give me a heifer on my big red Maine cow, so it doesn't look like I can help you, but if you decide to start the Shortline breed I know where we can get some help (lol)
Title: Re: shorthorn ai sires
Post by: the angus111 on July 15, 2007, 08:07:31 PM
it is kind of funny,what got me interested in shorties other than maternal traits,was they had width ,big square hips and i am going to kill myself for treason,but didnt have that angus defect,noassotosis.angus has changed as well as chis on frame size over the years.rusty (probably impeached)
Title: Re: shorthorn ai sires
Post by: TJ on July 15, 2007, 08:48:07 PM
Doc - I agreed with your other post an dI pretty much agree with this one here.

Blanket statements about how there aren't 10 Shorthorn cows in all of America (how about Canada) that need to add frame is not really helpful when someone who knows what they want and has aprogram asks for assistance - The A3 - I am waiting on Gozmo to decrease frame and hopefully give me a heifer on my big red Maine cow, so it doesn't look like I can help you, but if you decide to start the Shortline breed I know where we can get some help (lol)


I don't know anything about this link or the association & I have no interest in knowing, but since the subject was raised... 

www.miniatureshorthorn.org




Title: Re: shorthorn ai sires
Post by: the angus111 on July 15, 2007, 08:51:01 PM
tj,thanks my heifer my have a future after all!rusty
Title: Re: shorthorn ai sires
Post by: Dale on July 15, 2007, 08:59:10 PM
KL Double Duty 6294 is truly a calving ease bull that is not a lowline.  I'm not sure of his frame score, but best guess is a 5.  His growth is adequate and he will leave you functional females.  We have never assisted a Double Duty calf, although one heifer lost her calf at birth in 03.  We still use him and have used 2 of his sons.  His -5.5 BW EPD is for real.
Title: Re: shorthorn ai sires
Post by: TJ on July 15, 2007, 09:01:43 PM
tj,thanks my heifer my have a future after all!rusty

The person who owns that site mentioned that they were looking to buy "small" shothorns when they posted that link on another message board.  So, if you want to sell your heifer, they might be interested.  
Title: Re: shorthorn ai sires
Post by: the angus111 on July 15, 2007, 09:05:17 PM
tj,could it be i finally found my niche in the industry by poor breeding decisions.rusty
Title: Re: shorthorn ai sires
Post by: DL on July 15, 2007, 09:09:17 PM
The A3 - shall we begin to call you Shortie 3 (or would that be The Shortie 3)??

Actually I was quite amazed that Shorthorn Country actually published the ad looking for minature Shorthorns - perhaps they have no pride. I think you can do just ducky with your heifer - have you thought about a Red Angus sire - get on the Durham Red probram -
Title: Re: shorthorn ai sires
Post by: itk on July 15, 2007, 09:14:47 PM
i am intrigued by TM Gus owned by Fishers in KS.


SRU, We are using a full brother to TM Gus' dam on all of our cows this year. He is red and polled and all his calves so far are unassisted. To be honest we were concerned when the calves started coming this year because they were so small but with alittle time we got sold on him and didn't ai a single cow this year we just turned him out. The Kendra cow was a true diamond in the rough and just more proof that you shouldn't peg hole cattle as show or commercial. Kendra has worked for everyone who has used her genetics so I would use TM Gus with great confidence.
Title: Re: shorthorn ai sires
Post by: the angus111 on July 15, 2007, 09:17:38 PM
oh DL , I GUESS I WILL HAVE TO DROP THE ,IF I CHOOSE TO OR THEY CHOOSE TO IMPEACH ME.BY THE WAY THE LITTLE HEIFER HAS PUT ME IN TOUCH WITH MY SENSITIVE ,HUMANE SIDE.SHE IS THE SWEETEST HEIFER I HAVE,WOULD MAKE A GOOD STARTER PROJECT. RUSTY
Title: Re: shorthorn ai sires
Post by: OH Breeder on July 15, 2007, 09:27:46 PM
Mr. AA 3
This is my opinon. What i have found is that when I have used older bloodlines on my Double Visions it really seems to balance nicely. The calf pictured in my profile is out of a Sonny x Cherry vision sire and the dam is Byland Cindy Beauty x wakaru. It really has seem to click well. Moderate framed cattle that gain well and finish in that 52" hip height. My females have great rip and depth of body.
I am anxious to try some (JIT probably knows more) Alta Cedar First Blood. I used Gizmo and he really didn't down size any of my calves. They were small at birth and they have been growing like weeds. I am very pleased with my heifer calf out of Gizmo. I would recommend Gizmo ( Elbee probably knows more on that side). There is a new bull coming out of Jungles that I am waiting to see calves on. He is a Levadale Javelin and was successfully bred to heifers.
I think you should look for an outcross for her and stay away from the stuff sires completely. I have one of just about every thing in the pasture, Double Vision, Bad Moon Rising, Quartermaster, Rodeo Drive, Ar Su Lu's and I mix them. I breathed a sigh of relief when i found out they are free to this point.
Nice looking heifer by the way and like the donor as well. I too think that for the first go around shoot for live. There are enough red angus folks on here to tell you who might help on the durham red side as well. My vote is Gizmo. I can send you some great pictures of my female if you like. Her momma was a Direct Hit x mr. Corrector.
Title: Re: shorthorn ai sires
Post by: itk on July 15, 2007, 09:33:07 PM
KL Double Duty 6294 is truly a calving ease bull that is not a lowline.  I'm not sure of his frame score, but best guess is a 5.  His growth is adequate and he will leave you functional females.  We have never assisted a Double Duty calf, although one heifer lost her calf at birth in 03.  We still use him and have used 2 of his sons.  His -5.5 BW EPD is for real.

I saw Double Duty about five years ago so my memory is fuzzy but I remember him being a good sized bull (maybe a 6 or 61/2). We flushed our Millvale Rose donor to him and should have calves next spring. I was really impressed with Marty's pen bulls this year. Most of them were double bred Double Duty and were as stout and thick as anything and had unparalleled calving ease potential. Not sure I would call them breed changers but if there were more bulls like them around commercial acceptance for our breed wouldn't be so far fetched.
Title: Re: shorthorn ai sires
Post by: TJ on July 15, 2007, 09:39:18 PM
tj,could it be i finally found my niche in the industry by poor breeding decisions.rusty

Without seeing the calf & having more info, I can't honestly say, but it could be possible, that is, if these mini-shorthorn people are indeed looking for cattle.  Also, I guess it depends upon what you mean by the words...  "the result of poor breeding decisions".  

Title: Re: shorthorn ai sires
Post by: DL on July 15, 2007, 09:42:26 PM
tj,could it be i finally found my niche in the industry by poor breeding decisions.rusty

Without seeing the calf & having more info, I can't honestly say, but it could be possible, that is, if these mini-shorthorn people are indeed looking for cattle.  Also, I guess it depends upon what you mean by the words...  "the result of poor breeding decisions". 



TJ - I think he was being silly - he does that on occasion - you will learn to love that about him! ;) ;)
Title: Re: shorthorn ai sires
Post by: the angus111 on July 15, 2007, 09:43:50 PM
tj,i was feeling sorry for myself,therefore the poor humor.aegerter has her on his private treaty listingsif you want to see her.AEGERTER SALES. Thanks for the input,rusty
Title: Re: shorthorn ai sires
Post by: OH Breeder on July 15, 2007, 09:45:58 PM
A3- just thougt of something, I am going to give Diamond Leggs 21 a try this next season and pull him out of storage. He seems to make great females and few folks have used him on heifers without problem.
Title: Re: shorthorn ai sires
Post by: the angus111 on July 15, 2007, 10:00:03 PM
OH BREEDER, HE WILL GO ON THE LIST.I AM GOING TO HAVE TO DECIDE .THANKS FOR YOUR OPINION RUSTY
Title: Re: shorthorn ai sires
Post by: TJ on July 15, 2007, 10:04:58 PM
tj,could it be i finally found my niche in the industry by poor breeding decisions.rusty

Without seeing the calf & having more info, I can't honestly say, but it could be possible, that is, if these mini-shorthorn people are indeed looking for cattle.  Also, I guess it depends upon what you mean by the words...  "the result of poor breeding decisions". 




TJ - I think he was being silly - he does that on occasion - you will learn to love that about him! ;) ;)

I figured that was probably the case, that is why I went fishing with my post.  It's all good. 
Title: Re: shorthorn ai sires
Post by: sjcattleco on July 15, 2007, 10:20:48 PM
LOL I give up


LATER

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Title: Re: shorthorn ai sires
Post by: OH Breeder on July 15, 2007, 11:01:15 PM
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Diamond Legs 21 is a bull that I have only seen a few calves from. He was not used a lot in Canada, as only a little semen ever made it up here. He was bred by Lecil Church in Oklahoma and he has an interesting pedigree. He is sired by Leggs ( WI Dividend 3J) and his dam is really quite " old school" genetics. She has one cross of Leader breeding through her grandsire Candun Leader ( who has a shot of Kinnaber Leader 9th as well as Pheasant Dawn Seal 2nd). The rest of breeding in Legs 21's dam all goes back to old Scottish bulls from the 50s and 60s. Bulls like Kinellar Napolean ( Acadia Farms herd sire), Glasmis Bobbydazzler and Crichton Prince Charlie all were imported from Scotland and came out of the Perth Bull Sale in Scotland. It is interesting that these bloodlines are almost non existent, in Scotland now. There is also a shot of old Bapton Constructor in her background, through Louada Chancellor. Bapton Constructor was the " Trump of the 60s" as you weren't no body unless you had a Bapton Constructor son or grandson as a herdsire.
One thing I have wondered about is that Diamond Legs 21 is registered as polled yet both his sire and dam were registered as horned. He does have one shot of polled breeding through his maternal grandsire Candun Leader and it could be that his dam was actually a polled female. I always found the Irish sires were very easy to poll, that is most Irish sires would sire polled calves if they were bred to polled females. I raised a few full Irish cattle that were horned but their horns never grew more than about 4 or 5 inches and were losely attached to the skull.... kinda like " Texas scurs". Siince the Irish cattle were linebred from Shorthorns in the 30s and 40s, it could be that they resembled in some ways, the original cattle that were named " Short Horns" .
Getting back to Legs 21, his calves are quite moderate in frame and they do have good thickness. I really don't know why he hasn't been used more than he has. I think this bull has some merit in todays industry.He is probably one of the better breeding Leggs sons. With his dams breeding, you may have to use him on the bigger framed cows in your herd to get the best results.
quote Gary Bob
[PS, one other thing, you may, or, may mot want to know, is that LC Diamond Cutterx, is the ONLY Beef Shorthorn Bull Available AI in ABS Mexico's sire list. He musta really worked on some commercial cows, or produced excellent replacements, because those guys down there don't have time to mess around with cattle that don't perform( or survive) in such a challenging environment. The reason I say he must have clicked on some commercial cows, is that there isn't a Shorthorn Breed Association in Mexico, leaving out the possibility of him being put across registered cows, or clubby mamas./i]
Title: Re: shorthorn ai sires
Post by: garybob on July 16, 2007, 04:13:34 PM
"Moderate" does not equate to "Midget".
Title: Re: shorthorn ai sires
Post by: TJ on July 16, 2007, 04:42:48 PM
"Moderate" does not equate to "Midget".

I agree with you 100%.  However, people who raise frame 7+, 1600+ lb. cows will probably disagree, because that's what it takes to win in the showring at many breed shows.  FWIW, I like a cow that is around 47-49 inches tall & weighs 1100 - 1250 lbs., which is where I expect most of my F1 Lowlines will end up.  Jerry Adamson, (Rockin J Ranch in NE) sold some 1/2 blood Lowline breds a few years ago in one of his sales that were 48 inches tall & 1300+ lbs.  Some people would call a cow that size a "midget", but if they wean off 600+ lb. calves on nothing but grass, I don't care what anybody calls them!!     
Title: Re: shorthorn ai sires
Post by: SRU on July 16, 2007, 04:43:38 PM
you know as well as i do that an arkie moderate is an ohio midget.
Title: Re: shorthorn ai sires
Post by: shortdawg on July 16, 2007, 07:18:48 PM
WHR also had a Durham Red bull when I was there that was flat good, but I can't remember his name. Tonic could also be an option on your heifer.
Title: Re: shorthorn ai sires
Post by: Olson Family Shorthorns on July 16, 2007, 07:39:46 PM
WHR also had a Durham Red bull when I was there that was flat good, but I can't remember his name. Tonic could also be an option on your heifer.

Tonic looked good as a calf, but how do you guys like his rear wheels?  I prefer a bull with more foot. 
Title: Re: shorthorn ai sires
Post by: shortdawg on July 16, 2007, 08:08:45 PM
I saw him back in March and he looked pretty good out with some cows. He's definitely not what I would call a massive, huge boned bull ( hence the calving ease ) but I bred him to my Augusta Pride and I thought he would work on the heifer Angus 111 has. I really liked his calves at WHR.
Title: Re: shorthorn ai sires
Post by: Olson Family Shorthorns on July 16, 2007, 08:27:03 PM
Don't get me wrong, He's a good bull, but I was thinking something like Wymore or Gizmo or Gold Rush would work good too. 
Title: Re: shorthorn ai sires
Post by: SRU on July 16, 2007, 09:42:03 PM
shortdawg - how much muscle shape did that 6207 have? i think that was that durham red bulls number.
Title: Re: shorthorn ai sires
Post by: garybob on July 17, 2007, 01:59:15 PM
The "mini Shorthorns" on that web page look like Jerseys, or BVD-calves! They don't even look like miniature Beef Cattle.
Title: Re: shorthorn ai sires
Post by: TJ on July 17, 2007, 04:23:03 PM
The "mini Shorthorns" on that web page look like Jerseys, or BVD-calves! They don't even look like miniature Beef Cattle.

I went to take a look & it is interesting that there are no pictures of any "mini shorthorns" anywhere on that website.  Do such animals even exist?  However, in the classifieds it shows pics of 2 Dexters.  Why would Dexter's be on a site for "mini shothorns"?  I assume that the 2 Dexters are the cattle that you are talking about & I agree with you, they don't look so hot. 
Title: Re: shorthorn ai sires
Post by: shortdawg on July 17, 2007, 07:46:00 PM
SRU, I thought that bull at WHR was better than the Tonic bull he sold in his sale. He won't be a big bull but he had a lot of volume, depth of body, hip shape, and was sound as a kitten. He was pictured in his catalog this past year. He had a nice roan color pattern and would pass for purebred.
Title: Re: shorthorn ai sires
Post by: SRU on July 18, 2007, 12:36:50 PM
thanks shortdawg
Title: Re: shorthorn ai sires
Post by: Cowfarmer65 on July 18, 2007, 12:49:45 PM
Saskvalley Pioneer was a good bull. If anyone has semen and likes his calves you should hang on to it for your own use as he is has passed on so semen will be hard to come by soon.

An up and comer in Canada now is KMS Casino. There is a touch of appendix in his pedigree. He was National Senior Bull Calf Champion and Reserve National Champion to Pioneer in Edmonton last fall. He is one of the best Shorthorn Bulls I've seen in a long time. He will be hard to beat at Regina this year.  Breeding Shares are available. Contact me if anyone is interested.
Title: Re: shorthorn ai sires
Post by: garybob on July 18, 2007, 03:44:27 PM
The "mini Shorthorns" on that web page look like Jerseys, or BVD-calves! They don't even look like miniature Beef Cattle.

I went to take a look & it is interesting that there are no pictures of any "mini shorthorns" anywhere on that website.  Do such animals even exist?  However, in the classifieds it shows pics of 2 Dexters.  Why would Dexter's be on a site for "mini shothorns"?  I assume that the 2 Dexters are the cattle that you are talking about & I agree with you, they don't look so hot. 
The website of the Breeding Firm , named something with lightening in the name did have some calves that were allegedly Shorthorns. I remember Don Lily and Helen Forehand, of Summer Winds Farm, in Seymour, MO. They had some big, performance oriented cattle. In fact they bred the "Soldier" bull of Tim Loudon's. Guess it was the "green " factor, that got them going in the opposite direction.
Title: Re: shorthorn ai sires
Post by: TJ on July 18, 2007, 08:22:06 PM
The "mini Shorthorns" on that web page look like Jerseys, or BVD-calves! They don't even look like miniature Beef Cattle.

I went to take a look & it is interesting that there are no pictures of any "mini shorthorns" anywhere on that website.  Do such animals even exist?  However, in the classifieds it shows pics of 2 Dexters.  Why would Dexter's be on a site for "mini shothorns"?  I assume that the 2 Dexters are the cattle that you are talking about & I agree with you, they don't look so hot. 
The website of the Breeding Firm , named something with lightening in the name did have some calves that were allegedly Shorthorns. I remember Don Lily and Helen Forehand, of Summer Winds Farm, in Seymour, MO. They had some big, performance oriented cattle. In fact they bred the "Soldier" bull of Tim Loudon's. Guess it was the "green " factor, that got them going in the opposite direction.

OK, I found it on a search engine.   If all the "mini shorts" look like that, I bet they don't sell too many.  BTW, did you see where they are going to develop "mini Charolais"?   
Title: Re: shorthorn ai sires
Post by: garybob on July 19, 2007, 01:58:23 PM
The "mini Shorthorns" on that web page look like Jerseys, or BVD-calves! They don't even look like miniature Beef Cattle.

I went to take a look & it is interesting that there are no pictures of any "mini shorthorns" anywhere on that website.  Do such animals even exist?  However, in the classifieds it shows pics of 2 Dexters.  Why would Dexter's be on a site for "mini shothorns"?  I assume that the 2 Dexters are the cattle that you are talking about & I agree with you, they don't look so hot. 
The website of the Breeding Firm , named something with lightening in the name did have some calves that were allegedly Shorthorns. I remember Don Lily and Helen Forehand, of Summer Winds Farm, in Seymour, MO. They had some big, performance oriented cattle. In fact they bred the "Soldier" bull of Tim Loudon's. Guess it was the "green " factor, that got them going in the opposite direction.

OK, I found it on a search engine.   If all the "mini shorts" look like that, I bet they don't sell too many.  BTW, did you see where they are going to develop "mini Charolais"?   
The "perfect-circle "calf is the one I'm referring to as Jersey, or a BVD-calf.
Title: Re: shorthorn ai sires
Post by: uluru on July 22, 2007, 12:41:07 AM
Rusty
Take a look at the sires on the undernoted web site

www.shorthorns.ca

Bob
Title: Re: shorthorn ai sires
Post by: Show Time King on July 22, 2007, 12:52:06 AM
I really thought that jakes proud jazz is a good canditate to use he adds frame depth and he isn't tall at all he is around 52 inches tall. use him on a heifer that you need to take down a frame size or two and he should throw a pretty stout calf
Title: Re: shorthorn ai sires
Post by: TJ on July 22, 2007, 08:25:30 AM
I really thought that jakes proud jazz is a good canditate to use he adds frame depth and he isn't tall at all he is around 52 inches tall. use him on a heifer that you need to take down a frame size or two and he should throw a pretty stout calf

Intersting to hear about Jake's Proud Jazz...  If that height is accurate, he's only about 3.5 inches taller than my Lowline bull, Doc Holliday.  I heard someone say JPJ was real simialr to OCC Anchor, Anchor is a short bull.  Anyway, that is interesting!!  I like the looks of Jake's Proud Jazz, btw.  Thanks for sharing.         
Title: Re: shorthorn ai sires
Post by: Jill on July 22, 2007, 09:56:08 AM
We flushed him to our big Black Dice donor and put in 5, I'll let you know how they turn out.  One of the best flushes we had was out of Vegas, just needed more depth, so we are hoping for really good things out of Jakes Proud Jazz.
Title: Re: shorthorn ai sires
Post by: shortdawg on July 22, 2007, 09:07:46 PM
Our Jake's Proud Jazz steer was Reserve Shorthorn Steer at the GA Jr. Beef Futurity this past weekend.
Title: Re: shorthorn ai sires
Post by: Show Time King on July 23, 2007, 02:03:10 AM
I talked with mike from topsires and he said that he's talked with a couple of guys around the midwest and said not only does he throw awesome calves and is consitent, but they have seen him in person and said he is an awesome mature bull.