Shorthorn bull GS Thunder 6E 6J

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mark tenenbaum

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GS Touche goes back to a bunch of Fullblood maines. Probably the most wellknown daughter was Walter Dicksons: Touche doner-that had calves at Cagwins-and a son (one of many ) at 3 C shorthorns I think Miss.or Alabama, That bull your taliking about -has no guts at all-and I dont believe the stats-hed have to be 7 feet tall. O0
 

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mark tenenbaum said:
GS Touche goes back to a bunch of Fullblood maines. Probably the most wellknown daughter was Walter Dicksons: Touche doner-that had calves at Cagwins-and a son (one of many ) at 3 C shorthorns I think Miss.or Alabama, That bull your taliking about -has no guts at all-and I dont believe the stats-hed have to be 7 feet tall. O0

I agree Mark. I thought it was weird for a bull to grow like that with a mature pic llike that. Those are Schaff Valley Angus growth numbers. But the thunder bull looks nothing like they do. Cant find a hip height on him. I have heard of  GS Touche  before now that you mention it. 
 

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Also his milk epd is -11?? Is that accurate?

Seems that it is fairly accurate his 2011 EPDS and his pedigree are attached. I am not a fan of the bull in the picture!!!
 

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The S indicates he is a polled sport. A polled calf fom horned parents.
 

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jaimiediamond said:
trevorgreycattleco said:
Also his milk epd is -11?? Is that accurate?

Seems that it is fairly accurate his 2011 EPDS and his pedigree are attached. I am not a fan of the bull in the picture!!!
Thanks for posting this. Looks like 3 shots up close of the ol NDSU Sparky bull  :). The more I look at him the more in type he looks like Rodeo Drive. I will stick with 329  and Complete. O0
 

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mark tenenbaum said:
GS Touche goes back to a bunch of Fullblood maines. Probably the most wellknown daughter was Walter Dicksons: Touche doner-that had calves at Cagwins-and a son (one of many ) at 3 C shorthorns I think Miss.or Alabama, That bull your taliking about -has no guts at all-and I dont believe the stats-hed have to be 7 feet tall. O0

The bull I think you're talking about is at C & A in MS. The guys name is Ance Cascio , he also owns the bull SULL Fed Ex. The donor of Walts' is called Carly. Ance bought a lot of her breeding from Walt .
 

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We have a Sonny x Touche (I believe her dam is a 3/4 sib to Carly) cow that is flat awesome.  Her momma came from Sumption's.  We're actually selling a daughter out of her in the Shorthorn sale at the IL Beef Expo.  Just a ton of guts, lots of muscle, easy doin, and just a cool package. 
 

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Interesting pedigree nonetheless...  close double shot of Touche... 

What is the "S" in front of the "X" on the reg # mean.. Never seen an S before?
I have one cow that has the "S" in front of the "X" in her registration number.  She is scurred and out of 2 horned parents.  I guess I always thought the "S" stood for scurs.  Okotoks is probably right though, he has been in this shorthorn thing a lot longer than I have.
 

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the truth said:
Interesting pedigree nonetheless...  close double shot of Touche... 

What is the "S" in front of the "X" on the reg # mean.. Never seen an S before?
I have one cow that has the "S" in front of the "X" in her registration number.  She is scurred and out of 2 horned parents.  I guess I always thought the "S" stood for scurs.  Okotoks is probably right though, he has been in this shorthorn thing a lot longer than I have.

Scurred is considered polled. That's why you are not supposed to dehorn the scurs if you are going to register them as polled.
 

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Now what is a polled sport again? Scurs are a different set of genes than the horned-polled deal. Is a polled sport the name of a original mutation of the horned factor. Isn't this like a one in 5 million mutation?
 

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aandtcattle said:
the truth said:
Interesting pedigree nonetheless...  close double shot of Touche... 

What is the "S" in front of the "X" on the reg # mean.. Never seen an S before?
I have one cow that has the "S" in front of the "X" in her registration number.  She is scurred and out of 2 horned parents.  I guess I always thought the "S" stood for scurs.  Okotoks is probably right though, he has been in this shorthorn thing a lot longer than I have.
Scurs. My best cow was BFS Maggie 231*sx, that came from Paul Bridwell.

GB
 

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garybob said:
aandtcattle said:
the truth said:
Interesting pedigree nonetheless...  close double shot of Touche... 

What is the "S" in front of the "X" on the reg # mean.. Never seen an S before?
I have one cow that has the "S" in front of the "X" in her registration number.  She is scurred and out of 2 horned parents.  I guess I always thought the "S" stood for scurs.  Okotoks is probably right though, he has been in this shorthorn thing a lot longer than I have.
Scurs. My best cow was BFS Maggie 231*sx, that came from Paul Bridwell.

GB
You are right it stands for scurrs. I went to the source and checked with the ASA. I was wrong when I thought it was for polled sport which GS Thunder does appear to be as his parents are horned.
 

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To have a polled calf from horned parents? I would wonder if there was some kind of pedigree goof up. Maybe one parent was actually polled but mistakenly registered as horned? Or maybe a mistaken sire?
 

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Bumping this one back up - wondered if you Shorthorn folks knew anything more about the bull in the almost 2 yrs since this thread last got a post? Anybody seen any calves by him?
Not real keen on his looks - but for a commercial producer, using SH on Angus cows, his WW epd looks pretty enticing. Own BW and BW/CED epds aren't too bad, either.
The negative milk doesn't necessarily put me off - my cows have Simmental & Holstein back in their ancestry; plenty of milk for my program in the mix already.

Anything about him or his pedigree that alarms you - other than the scur deal, and the fact that he's a polled bull out of horned parents? 
I understand that the polled condition could be a spontaneous mutation - that's how it originally arose -  and the fact that he's scurred indicates that he's heterozygous polled.
But, it does make you wonder whether the sire of record is the real one...
 

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I came across semen from a bull named GS Mission Accomplished 52H.  He is bred very similarly to Thunder, same cow family, same maternal granddam, etc.  The only difference would be where Touche and Leader of Volga appear on the pedigree.  He also has the Miss Frederick cow family on the sire side.  Mission Accomplished has a +1 MEPD.  The -11 on Thunder is about the most negative I've seen.  Mission Accomlished was purchased by a friend of mine in the late 90s for use as a steer sire.  He had a light red tint to him and some roundness of muscle that gave the impression he could have had some Limousin in him.  I have not seen calves by either bull.  It appears that the owners of Thunder used him for quite some time.  There were numerous calves registered by him.  I randomly selected about 10 females on the ASA web site and they all had BW's in the 70's and MEPDs in the -3 to -5 range.  If the owners of the bull are still in business, you could contact them for more information.
 

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I believe that GS Thunder was leased to ABS for a few years, as I know of several herds in Canada that used him. Several of his sons topped bull performance tests here in Canada, and he was also used heavily in the NDSU Shorthorn herd. I remember seeing several Thunder offspring in the NDSU herd a few years ago. I also think that his Milk EPD ( -11) is wrong, as his daughters seemed to milk pretty good there.

Thunder may have seen much more use had he arrived in another era. He appeared near the end of the frame score era, and because he was more moderate, never received the recognition he deserved. The Thunder calves I have seen have been pretty thick and stylish. I think this is another bull from the past that could be very usuable today. The Sumption herd in South Dakota was a pretty powerful set of females. They were one of the first I know of, to specialize in the production of club calves. I saw this herd many years ago, and remember being very impressed with the thickness and fleshing ability they had bred into their cattle.
 
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