Shorthorn bull help

kfacres · Jan 2, 2012

Looking for some thoughts-

shorthorn bulls that meet the following:
Trace to such as Steermaker, Double Stuff (D Vision), Eskimo Joe, Double Dandy, Windstar, Warhorse, Gizmo, etc... you know the older, clubbier type Shorthorn genetics...

Would like to see what kind of clean options are available... PHA preferred clean, TH also needed.. But open to suggestions of carrier bulls- as maybe I could find a clean son.

NO Trump allowed in the pedigree- regardless of how far back.

Thanks for the thoughts... I really like getting some of the answers I expect...

knabe · Jan 2, 2012

Why not just make the next war horse and use him.

Or use war paint or nothing free? Nothing free might not have enough rear end for u though.

hbcc · Jan 2, 2012

with the list of bulls you give you will not have many options for clean sons being most of your list is dirty and some even double dirty why not just use steermaker himself semen is still available

kfacres · Jan 2, 2012

knabe said:
Why not just make the next war horse and use him.

Or use war paint or nothing free? Nothing free might not have enough rear end for u though.

war paint, and nothings free wound like MCF bulls.... Nothings free, has an interesting pedigree... Got any contact info for the owners/ distributors? War Paint's low % doesn't bother me, I don't plan to paper any of the calves anyways.

hbcc said:
with the list of bulls you give you will not have many options for clean sons being most of your list is dirty and some even double dirty why not just use steermaker himself semen is still available

I've thought about that..searched and searched.. and haven't found anything, but single carrier bulls... Thinking someone on here will come up with something...

I like the AT Rock n Roll Train bull, but don't like the double shot of Trump that comes along...

I'm planning on giving up JBS a call for a visit next time I visit that area-- which will be whenever I'm not sure...

hbcc · Jan 2, 2012

i think they lowered the price to 25 a unit recently on steermaker

kfacres · Jan 2, 2012

hbcc said:
i think they lowered the price to 25 a unit recently on steermaker

who/ where?

knabe · Jan 2, 2012

My bad on the edits.

The best thing about your bull is you raised him. If u are going to keep him, retain ownership on his calves and see what they do on the inside as a benchmark for further improvement.

JoeBnTN · Jan 2, 2012

Cut the BS said:
Looking for some thoughts-

shorthorn bulls that meet the following:
Trace to such as Steermaker, Double Stuff (D Vision), Eskimo Joe, Double Dandy, Windstar, Warhorse, Gizmo, etc... you know the older, clubbier type Shorthorn genetics...

Would like to see what kind of clean options are available... PHA preferred clean, TH also needed.. But open to suggestions of carrier bulls- as maybe I could find a clean son.

NO Trump allowed in the pedigree- regardless of how far back.

Thanks for the thoughts... I really like getting some of the answers I expect...

OK, I'll play. You could use the Leader bull in my avatar. His dam was a daughter of Gizmo and he is totally clean with no Trump anywhere. Also he's proven calving ease, calves are marketable (the first heifer in Canada sold for $3000), and if you want to show them they are stylish enough- even though he's not bred to be a show bull.

Anything else?

knabe · Jan 2, 2012

► 7:34► 7:34
www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBw-Vcphl7c
Apr 28, 2009 - 8 min - Uploaded by JoeBnTN
Hillside Leader is a November 2007 son of AR SU LU Matador (Tex X Missie 709 ) out of Elbee ...

hbcc · Jan 2, 2012

i am all but sure joel brooks and sek lowered semen to 25 a unit earlier this year!

kfacres · Jan 2, 2012

JoeBnTN said:
Cut the BS said:

Looking for some thoughts-

shorthorn bulls that meet the following:
Trace to such as Steermaker, Double Stuff (D Vision), Eskimo Joe, Double Dandy, Windstar, Warhorse, Gizmo, etc... you know the older, clubbier type Shorthorn genetics...

Would like to see what kind of clean options are available... PHA preferred clean, TH also needed.. But open to suggestions of carrier bulls- as maybe I could find a clean son.

NO Trump allowed in the pedigree- regardless of how far back.

Thanks for the thoughts... I really like getting some of the answers I expect...

Click to expand...

OK, I'll play. You could use the Leader bull in my avatar. His dam was a daughter of Gizmo and he is totally clean with no Trump anywhere. Also he's proven calving ease, calves are marketable (the first heifer in Canada sold for $3000), and if you want to show them they are stylish enough- even though he's not bred to be a show bull.

Anything else?

I thought you lost that bull... Can't have much semen on him in storage since he wasn't very old... Interesting pedigree, most def different... Who's semen come from you?

mark tenenbaum · Jan 2, 2012

Kleen-both ways best I can recall-MCF Man O War,SuperSport,Tequila,JBS Da Big Hurt,JF Perfect Image(CE Too),CSF IBM,CSF Maintainer,Oakview 2 plus 2,WO Showbusiness,to name just a few O0

kfacres · Jan 2, 2012

mark tenenbaum said:
Kleen-both ways best I can recall-MCF Man O War,SuperSport*NEED MORE INFO< CANNOT FIND HIM*,Tequila,JBS Da Big Hurt,JF Perfect Image(CE Too),CSF IBM (SEMEN AVAIL??,CSF Maintainer *ARE THESE CSF PPL STILL AROUND?,Oakview 2 plus 2 (THOUGHTS FROM HIS OWNERS,WO Showbusiness (DIDN" FIND,to name just a few O0

hbcc · Jan 2, 2012

yes csf is still around jeff connell is a vet in northern ill. he uses my bull to clean up cows and we sold some semen on him also

dsmith16 · Jan 2, 2012

DVMM Goldmine! We bred a th and pha carrier double vision cow to him. He goes back to windstar and steermaker.

Here is the pedigree, and link http://cattlevisions.com/Shorthorn/Goldmine.php

3744349 PHA-F TH-F LEN RU T A LEADER
*x3961218 PS PHA-F TH-F KA'BA LEGEND 102
*xAR14708 PS PHA-F TH-F KA'BA MARY ROSE 88T
Sire: *4001704 SYPS PHA-F TH-F JM VORTEC ET
*MA14928 K&A SHAKEDOWN
*AR20470 PS WAUKARU WIMPLE 165
3821365 WAUKARU WIMPLE 727

*xAR14643 PHA-F TH-F MB STEER MAKER 816
*3942445 PHA-C TH-F BR WINDSTAR
*x3877267 4D PLAYMATE
Dam: *sx4047832 SF WINDSTAR 30
3788638 GR RED ANSWER 77
3900557 LONGVIEW RA CASSIE
3865089 LONGVIEW OV CASSIE

jd720 · Jan 2, 2012

You might look at Double Trouble he`s Th. free but I`m not sure about his Pha status.

justintime · Jan 2, 2012

Cut the BS said:
JoeBnTN said:

Cut the BS said:

Looking for some thoughts-

shorthorn bulls that meet the following:
Trace to such as Steermaker, Double Stuff (D Vision), Eskimo Joe, Double Dandy, Windstar, Warhorse, Gizmo, etc... you know the older, clubbier type Shorthorn genetics...

Would like to see what kind of clean options are available... PHA preferred clean, TH also needed.. But open to suggestions of carrier bulls- as maybe I could find a clean son.

NO Trump allowed in the pedigree- regardless of how far back.

Thanks for the thoughts... I really like getting some of the answers I expect...

Click to expand...

OK, I'll play. You could use the Leader bull in my avatar. His dam was a daughter of Gizmo and he is totally clean with no Trump anywhere. Also he's proven calving ease, calves are marketable (the first heifer in Canada sold for $3000), and if you want to show them they are stylish enough- even though he's not bred to be a show bull.

Anything else?

Click to expand...

I thought you lost that bull... Can't have much semen on him in storage since he wasn't very old... Interesting pedigree, most def different... Who's semen come from you?

Yes, we lost Hillside Leader at the end of his first breeding season here,. His first calf crop here was impressive to say the least. All from heifers, only assisted birth weas a calf with a leg back. His calves had excellent performance and our heaviest bull calf at weaning form our heifers was 690 lbs ( no creep). We collected Leader at Hawkeye and at Genex in Alabama so we have a good supply of semen and we have semen in Canada, USA and Australia. Waukaru just purchased an in herd interest in him and we are pleased to have a great performance operation as this involved in him.

sue · Jan 2, 2012

You said "color" and thick so here is my gizmo suggestion:

AI sjcc american muscle... he is roan, stacked up pedigree- so you should see some consistancy. He ultrasounded with alot of rea/cwt. Low to the ground but thick on both ends.

Also check with SBR, Java South Dakota- he had alot of color this fall . That's if you wanted a walking bull. His pt sale is sometime in Feb? I could dig for that note pad ?

kfacres · Jan 3, 2012

sue said:
You said "color" and thick so here is my gizmo suggestion:
That's if you wanted a walking bull. His pt sale is sometime in Feb? I could dig for that note pad ?

For just a handful of cows to tinker with.... I don't think a walking bull is required... I think the hand and gun- should be able to cover it quite well-- although... I'd like to see the offering...

frostback · Jan 3, 2012

Cut the BS said:
sue said:

You said "color" and thick so here is my gizmo suggestion:
That's if you wanted a walking bull. His pt sale is sometime in Feb? I could dig for that note pad ?

Click to expand...

For just a handful of cows to tinker with.... I don't think a walking bull is required... I think the hand and gun- should be able to cover it quite well-- although... I'd like to see the offering...

In the other post with the angus/short bull you said you didnt have time to AI. Glad you found some with this thread.

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