Shorthorn Bulls of the Past

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dhs

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I am trying to put together a list of Shorthorn bulls that are:

1.TH & PHA Free
2. Outcross to Double Stuff, Trump, and Proud Jazz Genetic lines
3. Born before 2004 (Before we knew who was TH & PHA Carriers)
4. Semen still available today for a reasonable price ($100/Unit or less)
5. Bulls that are known to produce show steers or daughters that will produce show steers.

The idea behind this is to find new genetics to use that we may have over looked from the past. These bull may be better than what is available today but were not being used as much because TH & PHA Carriers were making more sell-able cattle.
I am posting the start of the list, please feel free the add more as you can.

My List as follows: Double Leader, Gizmo, Vortec, Steer Maker, Surf, Tequila, and Wide Side
Thanks
 

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hbcc

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JM Joe Davinci out cross th and ph free and sired a steer that has been winning shorthorn divisions at county fairs in northern ill. And dominating the thc sired calves!
 

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Ka Ba Keystone had a few good years. lol   Sorry i don't have any pics.  very little semen out there too.  wasn't tested for ph or th.  We never had any freaks out of him though.

He was a roan bull wit the biggest hip you ever seen and was huge boned as well.  Calves done really well on feed.

Calves won the following state fairs.   Ohio, Indiana, Iowa, Oklahoma State fair, Tulsa State fair, Missouri, San Antonio (2), Ft Worth, Texas State fair, New Mexico state fair,  Champion Chi at the Spring Fair in OKC(black Steer), Champion Shorthorn Futurity at Louisville NAILE
First year his calves were shown in FT Worth they won 2 classes and had 7 steers in the top 5 of their class.

Res Grand Overall at Texas State Fair and Cow Palace.  2 Res Grand Prospects at junior nationals

Champion Junior Shorthorn heifer at American Royal, OYE, and Colorado State Fair.

Grand son out of a daughter was res grand at Jr Nationals in KC.  Grand sons that I know of won Champion at OYE, Class winners at Houston, San Antonio, ft worth and probably some more.

Handy Dandy's dam was a keystone daughter (kris Black bull)
Maybe some i don't know too for we sold lots of semen.  According to registration at the Shorthorn Association he was the 7th most used sire of the breed.  Cant remember what year that was.



I am a little proud of him cause he was mine. (thumbsup)
 

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Olson Family Shorthorns said:
Equity's Charmer. Eskimo Joe.

Bullet point 1 wants non- carriers.

Carrier:
Polar Express
Kool
BR Windstar
Goldmine


Non- Carrier
SS Super Sport
Flashback
Eskimo leggs
Leggs
Dividend
ZTA Smooth Criminal
Candian bulls
Red Maine bulls (3/4 shorthorn)

and I'm sure there is more- just have to think about what bulls I've researched...

there are getting to be a couple of very distant ds or dv clean bulls out there now, like inferno, the MCF bull, and the new double bred war horse cattle visions has that looks interesting.
 

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blackdiamond said:
Olson Family Shorthorns said:
Equity's Charmer. Eskimo Joe.

Bullet point 1 wants non- carriers.

Carrier:
Polar Express
Kool
BR Windstar
Goldmine


Non- Carrier
SS Super Sport
Flashback
Eskimo leggs
Leggs
Dividend
ZTA Smooth Criminal
Candian bulls
Red Maine bulls (3/4 shorthorn)


and I'm sure there is more- just have to think about what bulls I've researched...

there are getting to be a couple of very distant ds or dv clean bulls out there now, like inferno, the MCF bull, and the new double bred war horse cattle visions has that looks interesting.
This is a misleading statement, I would not want to assume all Red Maines are defect free. It is a fact there are TH carrier Shorthorn bulls in Canada. I think Australia might be one of the few countries where TH carrier bulls had little impact. Shorthorn genetics go back and forth across the US/ Canadian border on a regular basis and before testing so did the defects :(
Just thought I'd mention it so as to have the truth and cut the BS.
 

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Okotoks said:
blackdiamond said:
Olson Family Shorthorns said:
Equity's Charmer. Eskimo Joe.

Bullet point 1 wants non- carriers.

Carrier:
Polar Express
Kool
BR Windstar
Goldmine


Non- Carrier
SS Super Sport
Flashback
Eskimo leggs
Leggs
Dividend
ZTA Smooth Criminal
Candian bulls
Red Maine bulls (3/4 shorthorn)


and I'm sure there is more- just have to think about what bulls I've researched...

there are getting to be a couple of very distant ds or dv clean bulls out there now, like inferno, the MCF bull, and the new double bred war horse cattle visions has that looks interesting.
This is a misleading statement, I would not want to assume all Red Maines are defect free. It is a fact there are TH carrier Shorthorn bulls in Canada. I think Australia might be one of the few countries where TH carrier bulls had little impact. Shorthorn genetics go back and forth across the US/ Canadian border on a regular basis and before testing so did the defects :(
Just thought I'd mention it so as to have the truth and cut the BS.

Thank God their is a purist on this planet.  Holy heaven, I'm stoked one non liar person exists... 
 

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Oakview 2 + 2 is a bull that I would add to the list.  Clean for TH and PHA.  We originally sold him to Dean Fieser in Kansas and Tony Shultz and I brought him back to Iowa several years later.  Sired by Remember Me and out of a Leader Plus dam.  He's 7/8 so all calves out of purebred cows will be registered as purebred.  He's polled and definitely is not a cow killer.  He will add as much real muscle as any Shorthorn bull out there.  He was not big and will not add performance to your calf crop.  If you want correct cattle with real muscle and that good front end, you might consider him.  You may remember the 2 + 2 heifer that sold for a 5 figure price in the 2012 Little Cedar sale in Michigan.  She was very impressive on display in Louisville.  Limited semen is available at a reasonable price.  We've been selling it for $40/straw.  
 

blackdiamond

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oakview said:
Oakview 2 + 2 is a bull that I would add to the list.  Clean for TH and PHA.  We originally sold him to Dean Fieser in Kansas and Tony Shultz and I brought him back to Iowa several years later.  Sired by Remember Me and out of a Leader Plus dam.  He's 7/8 so all calves out of purebred cows will be registered as purebred.  He's polled and definitely is not a cow killer.  He will add as much real muscle as any Shorthorn bull out there.  He was not big and will not add performance to your calf crop.  If you want correct cattle with real muscle and that good front end, you might consider him.  You may remember the 2 + 2 heifer that sold for a 5 figure price in the 2012 Little Cedar sale in Michigan.  She was very impressive on display in Louisville.  Limited semen is available at a reasonable price.  We've been selling it for $40/straw.  

I also just remembered him.
 

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I will mention a bull that sired some very good cattle in Oklahoma.  4s Mr Impact Shaker.  We have several granddaughters and they are by far the most consistant cows I have had at raising marketable calves.  His semen is limited but is still around. 
 

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frostback said:
So your statement was a lie?

I just praise the Candadian lords that he allows people, his hommies, to visit this site--  I love those original Okies...  Without people like you Frosty, this site would be so emotionless. 
 

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Ka Ba Keystone had a few good years. lol   Sorry i don't have any pics.  very little semen out there too.  wasn't tested for ph or th.  We never had any freaks out of him though.

He was a roan bull wit the biggest hip you ever seen and was huge boned as well.  Calves done really well on feed.

Calves won the following state fairs.   Ohio, Indiana, Iowa, Oklahoma State fair, Tulsa State fair, Missouri, San Antonio (2), Ft Worth, Texas State fair, New Mexico state fair,  Champion Chi at the Spring Fair in OKC(black Steer), Champion Shorthorn Futurity at Louisville NAILE
First year his calves were shown in FT Worth they won 2 classes and had 7 steers in the top 5 of their class.

Res Grand Overall at Texas State Fair and Cow Palace.  2 Res Grand Prospects at junior nationals

Champion Junior Shorthorn heifer at American Royal, OYE, and Colorado State Fair.

Grand son out of a daughter was res grand at Jr Nationals in KC.  Grand sons that I know of won Champion at OYE, Class winners at Houston, San Antonio, ft worth and probably some more.

Handy Dandy's dam was a keystone daughter (kris Black bull)
Maybe some i don't know too for we sold lots of semen.  According to registration at the Shorthorn Association he was the 7th most used sire of the breed.  Cant remember what year that was.



I am a little proud of him cause he was mine. (thumbsup)

Agree wholeheartedly.  If someone had one or ten Keystones today I'd be on the road heading their way.  Remember seeing lots of Venable Keystone steers in Texas and they were sure nuff powerhouses and did lots of winning.  Could always count on Carl Fox having a great Keystone shorthorn and a great Hereford from Doug Ford.  If anyone has Keystone semen they've got a probability, not a possibility, to raise some powerful steers.  I think he would work for the majors here in Texas even today.  Loved those calves, you're to be congratulated, Carl, on some very, very good years. 

 

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Wasn't Shaker a carrier? Seems like some of the people pushing defect genetics die untimely deaths.
 
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