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« on: August 26, 2017, 09:38:50 PM »
So I was going through old pics the other day and I ran across a picture of a roan bull that my grandparent bought from Colby Smith from Hamilton MT. His name was Kamaiah Jude and at the time was an extremely thick bull with a weaning weight of 775 which they thought was incredible for the time. I was curious if anyone knew who this Colby smith was or about the breeding of this bull. His sire was Ronan discovery. Any info?
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Re: Shorthorn historians... help
« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2017, 07:54:30 AM »
I remember Dad had a cow sired by maybe (Hey Jude) in the early 70's.......maybe late 60's. All I can remember she was horned.
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Re: Shorthorn historians... help
« Reply #2 on: August 27, 2017, 08:13:49 AM »
I remember the year that Colby Smith showed up in Denver with two Shorthorn bulls. One was a bull named Hey Jude and he got everyone's attention and ended up being Reserve Grand bull in the show. This was probably back in the late 70s or possibly the early 80s( some of those years are blurred together in my mind). The two bulls had amazing performance both for their ages, and for the genetics that they were supposed to be from. Their entire pedigrees were older genetics from the 50s and 60s that were much smaller cattle. The other bull may have been Kamaiah Jude, but I am thinking he may have been a bull Colby had there the next year. There was lots of rumors going through the barns that these cattle were part Maine, and off aged, and I have no idea if this was correct or not. They were pretty colored up cattle, mostly red and white, which did not suggest the older bloodlines that were supposed to be their heritage. Colby came back the next year with a couple more animals but they were not as impressive as Hey Jude was. I never heard of him again, and he disappeared as fast as he had appeared. I also never heard of any progeny of Hey Jude, not sure what happened to him. I have heard about some descendants of Kamaiah Jude, possibly from your grand parents.
I remember some of the older breeders saying that they remembered the sire of Hey Jude, Ronan Discovery, and he was a smaller belt buckle bull similar to others in the 50s and 60s. That may be where the rumors got started about him being part Maine.
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Re: Shorthorn historians... help
« Reply #3 on: August 27, 2017, 09:05:55 AM »
They had a bull named Juda Ben Hur that the Wertz Bros. of South Dakota bought and use for several years.  I believe he was a son of Hey Jude.

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« Reply #4 on: August 27, 2017, 11:15:25 AM »
Any photos?

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« Reply #5 on: August 28, 2017, 09:11:41 AM »
Lots of photos of those bulls in the old Shorthorn magazines.  I have them in my stack, just need to find time to post them.  One of Mr. Smith's ads had a statement from his county extension agent regarding the accuracy of his cattle's birth dates.  Lots of cattle back then seemed to "stray" from what was on their pedigree.  Most of them also seemed to end up in a winner's circle somewhere.  I know of a Milking Shorthorn breeder that raised two National Junior Show champion females.  One of them had a straight beef pedigree.  The other one was at least registered out of a dual purpose bull.  We showed against an obvious half-blood Maine at our county fair in the mid to late 70's.  She ended up winning the $5.50 purple ribbon and went on with her job of raising 3/4 blood Maine calves.  On the other hand, we were forced to show a Red Alert daughter (registered with a GREEN 7/8 pedigree) in the purebred Shorthorn class at our county fair in the late 80's because the beef department declared her a purebred, over my protests, because she had a pedigree.  The appendix classes were not well known at the county fairs at that time.  We showed her in the commercial class at the state fair and she was the champion commercial heifer.  Lots of crazy things happen at county fairs.

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« Reply #6 on: August 29, 2017, 09:56:46 AM »
Imagine an outsider showing up, winning banners, and not facing rumors, gossip, or unsubstantiated scrutiny.  Now I'm really curious to see the pictures.  Those years pre-date my subscription. 

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« Reply #7 on: August 29, 2017, 02:07:44 PM »
Imagine an outsider showing up, winning banners, and not facing rumors, gossip, or unsubstantiated scrutiny.  Now I'm really curious to see the pictures.  Those years pre-date my subscription.

Yes, that is the case with any group or organization.

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« Reply #8 on: August 30, 2017, 06:42:29 AM »
Very interesting!  Just researched the story of that dog.  Hadn't heard it before.

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Re: Shorthorn historians... help pic updated###
« Reply #9 on: September 03, 2017, 05:39:09 PM »
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Re: Shorthorn historians... help pic updated###
« Reply #10 on: September 03, 2017, 07:50:18 PM »
So I was going through old pics the other day and I ran across a picture of a roan bull that my grandparent bought from Colby Smith from Hamilton MT. His name was Kamaiah Jude and at the time was an extremely thick bull with a weaning weight of 775 which they thought was incredible for the time. I was curious if anyone knew who this Colby smith was or about the breeding of this bull. His sire was Ronan discovery. Any info?
///// He really looks like a huge scotch Shorthorn id almost guess he had some of the Great Big old  Hereford or Charolais X  in him rather than maine-he doesnt show a Maine body type or head at all. O0

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« Reply #11 on: September 03, 2017, 09:57:27 PM »
I would agree mark looks to me like a big scotch bull can't see anything that says he influenced by any other breeds.

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« Reply #12 on: September 03, 2017, 10:51:09 PM »
That's a pretty bad ass photo.  Notice the small ears, deep body, wide muzzle, and compact figure.  He doesn't look half or 1/4 maine at all.  In my opinion 1/4 main would look similar to what wee see nowadays (minus the irish influence).  This guy looks nothing like that.  And, his color pattern eliminates Hereford and Charolais up close.  Thanks for posting.  Please post more if you find them.

Still interesting to hear more about the barn talk.  I'm wondering how much dating, feeding, and grooming had to do with questions of purity.

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« Reply #13 on: September 04, 2017, 06:52:28 AM »
That's a pretty bad ass photo.  Notice the small ears, deep body, wide muzzle, and compact figure.  He doesn't look half or 1/4 maine at all.  In my opinion 1/4 main would look similar to what wee see nowadays (minus the irish influence).  This guy looks nothing like that.  And, his color pattern eliminates Hereford and Charolais up close.  Thanks for posting.  Please post more if you find them.

Still interesting to hear more about the barn talk.  I'm wondering how much dating, feeding, and grooming had to do with questions of purity.

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Re: Shorthorn historians... help pic updated###
« Reply #14 on: September 04, 2017, 08:35:28 AM »
My dad always told me, that you must be doing something right if people are starting to talk about you. When I purchased Ready Go, at a then record price at the Polled Congress in Louisville, I was devastated when rumours started coming back to me, that he was definitely part Salers to fullblood Salers. The Salers breed had just been introduced to North America just before this. When I told dad what I was hearing, he said " don't think of the rumours being a bad thing. If people are starting to talk about you, they are concerned that you may have done something right"  He also told me I better get some semen collected from Ready Go. As it turned out, he is the only bull I have owned that I have sold semen from every year since I bought him in 1973. The semen supply is getting pretty low now, but I am offering 12 vials in our sale on October 18th.

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