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« Reply #15 on: September 04, 2017, 02:47:46 PM »
He could by a Mandalong Super Elephant son!

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« Reply #16 on: September 05, 2017, 08:24:35 AM »
My dad always told me, that you must be doing something right if people are starting to talk about you. When I purchased Ready Go, at a then record price at the Polled Congress in Louisville, I was devastated when rumours started coming back to me, that he was definitely part Salers to fullblood Salers. The Salers breed had just been introduced to North America just before this. When I told dad what I was hearing, he said " don't think of the rumours being a bad thing. If people are starting to talk about you, they are concerned that you may have done something right"  He also told me I better get some semen collected from Ready Go. As it turned out, he is the only bull I have owned that I have sold semen from every year since I bought him in 1973. The semen supply is getting pretty low now, but I am offering 12 vials in our sale on October 18th.//// Want some Salers influence?? Look no further than the Hilltop cattle-of Carvin Guy. They sure made some pretty cows way back when mixed with Shorthorn and Marq 4 and Enticer-along with the irish breeding and a shot of maine O0 O0

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« Reply #17 on: September 05, 2017, 08:33:44 AM »
That's a pretty bad ass photo.  Notice the small ears, deep body, wide muzzle, and compact figure.  He doesn't look half or 1/4 maine at all.  In my opinion 1/4 main would look similar to what wee see nowadays (minus the irish influence).  This guy looks nothing like that.  And, his color pattern eliminates Hereford and Charolais up close.  Thanks for posting.  Please post more if you find them.

Still interesting to hear more about the barn talk.  I'm wondering how much dating, feeding, and grooming had to do with questions of purity.//// Harold Hoskins had both and managed to get Shorthorn colors-it would depend upon how far back the Hereford was-thats more what the bull is made like than the others.He had a bull called Zorro who looked like a Shorthorn  but was a Charolais-Exclusives Carrie-reserve at the National JR Show and a huge light roan was out of a graddaughter of Zorro-she was a big White cow registered to AK Outlook (?) O0 O0

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« Reply #18 on: September 05, 2017, 03:56:21 PM »
They had a bull named Juda Ben Hur that the Wertz Bros. of South Dakota bought and use for several years.  I believe he was a son of Hey Jude.

This is correct. Juda Ben Hur was the champion and $6600.00 record selling bull at the 1973 National Western Sale. He was an April 3, 1972 born spring calf sired by Hey Jude, the 1971 International Supreme champion. Juda Ben Hur weighed 852 pounds at 206 days and 1000 pounds at Denver. He apparently was not shown in the open show. The sale show judge was Wendell Lovely, a well-known breeder from Wilsall, MT.

Hey Jude, his sire, weighed 785 at 210 days, 1230 at a year, and 2120 at two years, according to the advertising of his breeders.

Kamaiah Jude, a full brother to Hey Jude, was reserve champion and second top selling bull at $5000.00 in the same sale. On "official test" Kamaiah Jude weighed 780 at 205 days, 1220 at a year, and 1710 at the Denver show. On the day following the sale, he was named reserve senior champion of the open show under judge W.T. Bennett of Connell, WA, another prominent Shorthorn breeder.

Reference: The Shorthorn World, February 1, 1973
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« Reply #19 on: September 05, 2017, 05:00:40 PM »
Thanks shorthorn geek that's cool info. Grandma couldn't remember how much they paid for him $5000 would have been a fairly big chuck of change back then!

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« Reply #20 on: September 06, 2017, 03:08:09 PM »
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« Reply #21 on: September 06, 2017, 04:32:57 PM »
I have in front of me the 1974 August Herd Bull issue of The Shorthorn World.  On page 117 is a 1/4 page ad from Si and Coby Smith, Hamilton, Montana.  There is a pasture photo of Hey Jude in their ad.  He looks pretty good to me.  Long, deep bodied, shows some muscle, looks good on his feet and legs, moderate framed.  The ad boasts his 205 day weight of 780, 1,230 pound yearling weight, 2,120 pound two year old weight, and mature pasture weight of 2,400 having had no grain for the past 2 years.  He was 9 times grand champion including the International.  The calf photo I remember of him was quite impressive.  If you pull up his ASA pedigree, you will find the top half of both sides is pretty much straight Scotch breeding.  I had heard some of the Rothney cattle were a little bigger than the other Calrossie bred cattle.  Northwood Robinhood was not a big bull.  On the dam's side of both pedigree halves are what I assume are Canadian beef cattle, though the pedigree does not go back far enough for me to tell for sure.  It just seems that I remember the Wheatgrass herd being from Canada.  I will do my best to have my daughter post this ad tonight.  I will also extend my search for his photo from the International.  There were some big cattle in Canada around that time that were not all Leader 21's.

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« Reply #22 on: September 06, 2017, 05:00:26 PM »
Same issue of The Shorthorn World, full page ad for Wertz Bros., page 94.  Featured photo is of Juda Ben Hur, a son of Hey Jude.  Similar breeding on both sides of the pedigree, Northwood Robinhood, Bog Oak and Wheatgrass genetics.  205 day weight of 852, 1,275 as a yearling, bull stud weight of 1,800.  First 11 calves averaged 76 pound birth weight.  Pretty impressive show photo.  Wertz Bros. were a performance, commercially oriented herd in their day, also STRONGLY polled.  For them to use a horned bull, he must have been pretty good.  I've also got the 1970 Herd Bull issue in front of me.  It is hard to find many bulls similar in color to these bulls, especially Juda Ben Hur.  The cattle are predominantly red with a few very dark roans, some white ones, and a few even roans.  Hey Jude would have been around 4 years old in 1974, to have a 2 year old son siring calves.  Some have wondered about Maine blood in them.  My old ABS bull directory from the early 70's shows Cunia's birth date of 1969.  Bysantin has an IMAA #of 2, being born in 1968.  That all but eliminates Maine blood in their background, in my opinion.  Could be such a thing that somebody (the Smiths) found some Shorthorns with a little more growth and size in them, took extra good care of the calves, and came up with something good.  Too bad those genetics are lost forever.

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« Reply #23 on: September 13, 2017, 12:49:12 PM »
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« Reply #24 on: September 13, 2017, 12:51:42 PM »
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« Reply #25 on: September 13, 2017, 05:35:06 PM »
Hey Jude, seems to be MIlking line.
Ben Hur, Maine Anjou sired.

 

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