Shorthorn show heifer

If one were to be looking for a shorthorn show heifer that could compete at any level but was a real shorthorn and didn't have any Trump influence, where would they look? How would this female be bred?

This heifer has been doing it for me the last little while. Reads 100% pure but goes back to Deerpark Leader, Improver, etc. No Trump influence and comes from a good maternal line of hard working Canadian momma cows. Should make a good cow when her show career winds up.

http://www.clrc.ca/cgi-bin/extended_pedigree.cgi?_breedcode=MS&_countrycode=CAN&_regnumberprefix=F&_regnumber=689878&_regnumbersuffix=&_association=21

-XBAR- said:

If one were to be looking for a shorthorn show heifer that could compete at any level but was a real shorthorn and didn't have any Trump influence, where would they look? How would this female be bred?

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Canadian!!! Or, maybe US with Irish or other questionable influence.  Put enough hair and feed on the Lucky Clover show cattle in California and you'd have punchers chance to win your class at a national show (but not likely these days...and some have asterisks.)  MSF Equity (born in 94) was the last "non-asterisk" US national champ I can remember (others can weigh in), but he went back to the infamous "non-asterisk" HS Instant Enticer (born in 85).  RB Eagle 148 also born in 94 was non-asterisk.    Double Stuff* and Trump* (both born in 93) would go on to change the show ring in the US forever...they changed the type drastically.  Canada seems to have "non-asterisk" national champs all the time (i.e. Saskvalley Pioneer.)  The non-asteisk in the US don't have the bone, butt, hair, profile, and width for the ring.  Although, when I visited Haumont Farms a few years ago and looked at their yearling bulls there was one that if he was fed, prepped, and fitted by sullivan's I thought he could compete (very, very highly doubtful though...they're built too much like "real shorthorns"

She's a little roundy made, got a little dip in her and she's short spined, a little campy for me but otherwise thick. Would like to see her with a little less feed. nice heifer.

KFShorthorns said:

This heifer has been doing it for me the last little while. Reads 100% pure but goes back to Deerpark Leader, Improver, etc. No Trump influence and comes from a good maternal line of hard working Canadian momma cows. Should make a good cow when her show career winds up.

http://www.clrc.ca/cgi-bin/extended_pedigree.cgi?_breedcode=MS&_countrycode=CAN&_regnumberprefix=F&_regnumber=689878&_regnumbersuffix=&_association=21

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Reads "100% pure" but has Ayatollah, Chianina, and Maine Anjou in her pedigree  (lol)

I believe you could do pretty well with a lucky clover heifer even still today. No one outfit has had more show winners than don.

Breed her Maine and put some spine in her

kiblercattle said:

I believe you could do pretty well with a lucky clover heifer even still today. No one outfit has had more show winners than don.

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I'm going to have to disagree with you on that. To me, the pics I have seen of Lucky Clover cattle seem to be a little more framey and dairy looking. As far as most winning , does he get out of CA to show?

Shows aren't as deep these days in ca.

Yeah doc I would have to agree with you now that I thought about it that they probably wouldn't be able to compete. But I wouldn't call them dairy either he has some very useful cattle and has been extremely successful for a long time. I know he refuses to chase the small and hairy phase.

-XBAR- said:

If one were to be looking for a shorthorn show heifer that could compete at any level but was a real shorthorn and didn't have any Trump influence, where would they look? How would this female be bred?

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canada, then fake the papers trump.

which would be more satisfying, selling a 50,000 heifer, or selling 50,000 worth of commercial shorthorn bulls with proven carcass merit on the grid for offspring for 10 years.

Well IMO there's no comparison. Clearly selling bulls is held in higher regards.  I have no interest in a show heifer but my little sister does. I told her I'd buy her one, but with just one pedigree stipulation.

The closest you will get to a performance hiefer that will show is Waukaru or Keith Lauer in Kansas-or Sue on here-Lauer and Waukaru have enticer in there (Waukarus will go back to Ayatollah through the gold breeding and maybe rodeo but thats a long way back) Lauers have alot of Enticer and only used a Stout bull that went back to rodeo,Sues cows -bulls are probably the closest and stoutest to what you are looking for:unless you can import one from Mclean Ranch etc in Washington.If your sister shows in Texas-I think getting an early  90s framey type hiefer would be a waste of time O0

I nvr said 'red performance' or asterisk free. I just don't want any Maine or non purebreds on the registration certificate. I have a pretty nice heifer out of a kkim castle rock/green ridge marry bull but she is more cowy (how id prefer) made.  But I don't think she has enough extension through her front.  I see that being the same problem with some you mentioned, Mark. 

what functionality does extension provide and how is it correlated with growth curve and terminal utility in feedlot calves?

we used to call cattle that were extreme for this goose fronted.  i know you don't want that, just want to know how you describe optimum rather than too extended or too short.  which is worse and hardest to get rid of?

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I nvr said 'red performance' or asterisk free. I just don't want any Maine or non purebreds on the registration certificate.

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on any registration cert, or just this one?  do the winners have it in there you will be competing against?

So you want some that has no trump, but looks like trump but doesn't look like trump but has to be better than trump because of who is on the halter and the judges like trump, what's so bad about making another trump?  Your bull is pretty good, just go back to Canada to hsc, sask or mur and make one, don't try and buy it.

I guess the answer is you need one now.

I like to see the neck be 1/3 of the total length from poll to tailhead. 2/3 of the length from withers back.  I agree excessive extension is antagonistic to functionality but aesthetically, it does create a balanced phenotype.  If you can get enough base width, that extension becomes more bearable. 

I'm sure those winning now do have trump.  But he looks like a bulldog to me and I want no part of his genetics in my herd- and ultimately that's where this heifer will end up. 

I was thinking something like that majestic visas tucker. He looks the part?


Yes, Knabe. Time is of the essence.

What you could do is what a lot of people do is fake buy one since it won't have your prefix anyway and when you "sell" it back get something else and make it a tax exercise as well.