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Re: Shorthorn Sires
« Reply #15 on: July 12, 2009, 10:08:46 AM »
I am still and always will be a huge fan of the Double Stuff lines.  JPJ & Sin City would be good choices for the 1st calf.

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« Reply #16 on: July 13, 2009, 10:36:34 AM »
Trump goes back to Cunia. Cunia is clean of everthing except monkey mouth as I understand it. Not sure how the monkey mouth deal works.

maybe spastic pareisis as well. extremely low marbling epd with high accuracy as well.
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« Reply #17 on: July 14, 2009, 09:48:45 AM »



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« Reply #18 on: July 14, 2009, 10:17:58 AM »
Hey Lee, do you have any picture of any Wymore calves this year? I've been thinking about using him, and I love the Gizmo females, but I haven't seen all that many Wymore's. 
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« Reply #19 on: July 14, 2009, 07:26:13 PM »
Hey Lee, do you have any picture of any Wymore calves this year? I've been thinking about using him, and I love the Gizmo females, but I haven't seen all that many Wymore's. 


Same here.  I would love to see some Wymore calves.
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Re: Shorthorn Sires
« Reply #20 on: July 15, 2009, 08:51:46 AM »
Pollman's is the place to see lots, and lots of Wymore calves. Many Daughters several years into production there. They are right along US 77 south of Beatrice NE.

Here, we're using an Influence 81 x Bossie Bessie son named Tonka. And an Improver 3rd son nicknamed Kansas, both bulls are the real-deal!! Planing on bringing Wymore back on their daughters. 
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« Reply #21 on: July 15, 2009, 10:19:36 PM »
Hey Lee, do you have any picture of any Wymore calves this year? I've been thinking about using him, and I love the Gizmo females, but I haven't seen all that many Wymore's. 

I have a Wymore steer calf that looks real nice  - if he would stand still I could get a picture - had one last year (have to find a picture) - problem with rotational grazing is that they follow you - makes it hard to get a decent picture  - also the beautiful Violet (Gizmo daughter) will be having Buffalo Creek Hobo 1981 twins in January - have 2 other females bred to Gizmo - I am real partial to Gizmo females....real partial
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« Reply #22 on: July 16, 2009, 08:09:54 PM »
Hey new shorthorn breeder ! good luck with the solution heifer. I am going endorse Wymore deal  but if you need solid red then I have the ticket.
Really I have looked at Wymore from every angel in person and the calves. Solid old school pedigree-which means his parents,grandparents bred and producd naturally for years and years.  corn prices luck good so you might make a buck on the solution daughter? Dont recall a creep feeder at ELBEE???
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« Reply #23 on: July 16, 2009, 08:20:55 PM »
PS - forgot to add - Wymore's come easy and grow great and they are very eye appealing...(without hours spent daily on their hair ;)
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« Reply #24 on: July 19, 2009, 12:34:24 PM »
Stonmour Thunder Cloud looks interesting on page 157 of Shorthorn country(herd issue). I wonder what is story is?
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« Reply #25 on: July 19, 2009, 03:04:32 PM »
Thunder Cloud has a very unique pedigree, in that it combines Shorthorn genetics from the 60s and early 70s from all around the world.

 On his sire's side he goes back to a Canadian bred bull named Scotsdale Tradition X, who was a son of Manitiba Sunrise x, and out of a Mandalong Super Elephant x dam( Elephant was an Australian sire). There is a second cross of Super Elephant in the sires pedigree as well as considerable original Scottish Shorthorn  bloodlines from herds like Pennan, Bapton, and Denend, as well as others.

On Thunder Cloud's bottom side, there is again a very unique set of genetics. There is also a shot of one of the only polled sons of Bapton Constructor named Constructor X, who was born in Canada, and exported back to Scotland. The dam of Constructor was a TPS bred female from the Coronet Leader line,from Thieman's in Missouri. It is also interesting to see that there is an American bred female close up in his pedigree, named Broadhooks of Upsall x, who was bred in the Hillside herd of the Bennett's in Washington state. This cow was sired by Hillside Collynie 100th x and was from a dam named Hilldale Rimrock Lassie x. This is some of the very early polled breeding from the 50s and from what I have heard, and what I remember of the Bennett herd, these cattle would be extremely popular today. There is yet a third infusion of Super Elephant in the bottom side of this bulls pedigree, as well as a Weebollabolla sire from Australia named Weebollabolla Royal Commission x.

There is no genetics in this bulls pedigree from the modern era, as every animal in his pedigree goes back to bloodlines of the late 60s or earlier. He appears to be a bigger framed bull, which makes sense, as the British breeders are still wanting there breeding stock to be a little bigger framed than most here in N America.This to me, does not mean he is not worth using, but I think he could be a great sire to use on smaller or moderate framed females, or females that have enough frame but need some more natural thickness and volume.  He will bring very easy fleshing ability to any program, and he would certainly be a complete outcross to anything we have here now. His breeding is so removed from most lines here in North America, that there should be some hybrid vigour in his calves. I would think he will also add thickness and guts to his offspring, and it certainly may be worth trying on some of today's bloodlines we have here. He may be an outcross sire that will produce some interesting cattle.

I hope some breeders will bite the bullet and give this bull a try. Can't be any worse than some of the bulls presently being offered here.
I did not get to see this bull when I was in Britain last year, as I did not get  to any herds in England(.I hope to visit several next year.) I have heard about him and what I heard intrigued me. I did see a couple other bulls over there that certainly impressed me as well, and I think there are some others that would work here as well. One bull I really liked was being used in a commercial herd in Scotland. He was purchased in the Perth Spring bull sale for 8500 pounds, which was equivalent to $17,000 last year. I found it simply amazing what commercial producers there would pay for herd bulls. This bull was very thick, soft made and extremely sound.

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Re: Shorthorn Sires
« Reply #26 on: July 20, 2009, 04:11:12 AM »
Justintime: What is the bull in your Avatar? Can you post his complete picture? Pedigree and so forth? Thanks
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Re: Shorthorn Sires
« Reply #27 on: July 20, 2009, 08:33:30 AM »
Justintime: What is the bull in your Avatar? Can you post his complete picture? Pedigree and so forth? Thanks

The bull in my avator is HC Timeline 17T x*. He is an ET son of SULL GNCC Salute 532R X* and his dam is Shadybrook Presto 73G x*. Timeline topped our 2008 Sun Country bull sale at $20,000 selling to sydicate of 8 Canadian purebred and commercial producers. At the present time, we are planning to take him to Louisville this fall. So far, he is calving very good, and his calves are developing very well. All his calves have been polled so far. Here are a couple pics of Timeline taken very early this spring, as well as a pic of his dam, Presto, taken when she was 10 years old.
We had 4 Salute ET flushmates born here in 2007, and all were excellent animals. Three bulls and one heifer. The heifer is now in production here, and by her first calf, she is going to be an excellent producing female.
Presto has been a donor female here for several years, and she has worked with everything we have bred her to, from Salute, to Sin City, to Saskvalley Pioneer, to TPS Coronet Leader 21st and everything in  between. She is now 12 years old yet looks like a 5 year old.
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« Reply #28 on: July 20, 2009, 11:59:39 AM »
That is a great lookin bull in his own right. Do you know if there is semen available on your bull and the bull mentioned in above post? Thanks...John
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« Reply #29 on: July 20, 2009, 01:04:36 PM »
The owners of Timeline have decided that no semen will be sold at this time, but they will be discussing this later this fall and making some decisions then. As for the British bull, I can only assume that there is semen in the US as it has been advertised as being for sale. It doesn't mention price, or where it is stored, so maybe drop the owner an email.
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