Simmi Breeders what do you think? would you use him?

jackpotcattle · Feb 6, 2012

kfacres · Feb 6, 2012

been on full feed??

I thought he was about to fall down, there about the middle of the clip..

no. I like to see them built from the ground up= solid front end design, nice slope and flex to pastern, and plenty of give to the rear hock...

LN · Feb 6, 2012

Not my cup of tea

Diamond · Feb 6, 2012

not me

firesweepranch · Feb 6, 2012

LN said:
Not my cup of tea

(thumbsup) I'm with you.

leanbeef · Feb 6, 2012

I think he has some interesting parts, but I'd kinda wanna see him in person.Or at least maybe a better video. His numbers are not bad...I don't think they're really special enough to make him a seed stock use kind of bull. I'm thinking about where he would work to improve whatever females he went on, so I dunno. Pedigree is different. At least he's not another Dream On.

WJ Farms · Feb 7, 2012

That guy looked like he back legs barely functioned!!!! And thats where it starts.......from the ground up!!!

CAB · Feb 7, 2012

To be honest, I'm not seeing that much wrong with the bull. I see him as being a complete good structured bull that carries a little extra skin up front, which to mention it is being picky. I think it's a case of PPL being use to seeing clipped up, heavily groomed bulls in the videos done by professional videographers. PPL want to see if the bulls can/will perform, but as soon as a person feeds one harder, the bull gets criticized for being too fat and not be able to move as freely as we may like. To me he's defiantly a very good bull. Whether or not a person could move much semen on him, that would have to be determined down the road a ways. There are so many great bulls to choose from already. JMHO.

kfacres · Feb 7, 2012

CAB said:
To be honest, I'm not seeing that much wrong with the bull. I see him as being a complete good structured bull that carries a little extra skin up front, which to mention it is being picky. I think it's a case of PPL being use to seeing clipped up, heavily groomed bulls in the videos done by professional videographers. PPL want to see if the bulls can/will perform, but as soon as a person feeds one harder, the bull gets criticized for being too fat and not be able to move as freely as we may like. To me he's defiantly a very good bull. Whether or not a person could move much semen on him, that would have to be determined down the road a ways. There are so many great bulls to choose from already. JMHO.

you must have not watched the same video clip as I...

Top Knot · Feb 7, 2012

I believe he's walking on rough frozen ground. If that's the case it would make him more tentative in his stride. Take another clip on grass or when it thaws and I'm guessing he'd move out with ease.

vc · Feb 7, 2012

My thoughts on the ground as well,that plus the fact he looks like he may be carring a little more weight than necessary. I doubt a cat would travel smoothly on that ground.
Kind of goes with I would not buy a steer off of a picture or video, I would not pass final judgement on a bull based off other the same.

jackpotcattle · Feb 7, 2012

Top Knot said:
I believe he's walking on rough frozen ground. If that's the case it would make him more tentative in his stride. Take another clip on grass or when it thaws and I'm guessing he'd move out with ease.

The ground is frozen and rough and he is lazy. He is not sound as a cat, but definatley far from unsound IMO. He is on good feed, but too me looks way fatter on the video then he does in person. He has been big bellied and stout since 3 months old and a complete standout for performance. He is already sold to a commercial breeder I was just seeing if I was barn blind or he is as good as I think he is. And when people critisize structure I take that with a grain of salt because it is amazing how when you get a pretty one people can forget about structure. Heck In Dew Time still gets used in the Simmi breed and I have seen more structurally unsound cattle out of him then maybe even any clubby bull.

But thanks for the input and thanks for being honest I feel it is always good to know others opinion weather you agree or not. First step to marketing is beliving in your product and think it is the best!

CAB · Feb 7, 2012

My thoughts were that he covers his tracks pretty darn well & I did think that he stumbled a bit on one occasion. I thought that the bull has true capacity & that very brief look @ him from behind showed a very thick made bull that will sire very good sets of calves.

Jody I think we were watching the same video, but must have seen the bull totally different.

kfacres · Feb 7, 2012

CAB said:
My thoughts were that he covers his tracks pretty darn well & I did think that he stumbled a bit on one occasion. I thought that the bull has true capacity & that very brief look @ him from behind showed a very thick made bull that will sire very good sets of calves.

Jody I think we were watching the same video, but must have seen the bull totally different.

I saw the stumble, and called him straight through the shoulder, and timid in his step.. off the rear- I saw tight pasterns, and a hock that didn't have much give.. I attributed his stumble= to his structural problems I saw-- and didn't see a bull that could cover ground...

In the part of the world I live in- it's usually either frozen for the most of the winter, or belly deep in mud... The sound ones- will most of the time-- stay pretty sound on frozen ground-- but the crippled ones... will be lucky to live through the winter-- especially if they have to walk downhill to drink from a pond bank. The frozen ground, IMO is perhaps the best indicator if an animal is all there physically structurally, and I guess mentally as well...

given this winter though-- I see alot more cripples making it to spring green grass... (lol)

Till-Hill · Feb 7, 2012

jackpotcattle said:
Top Knot said:

I believe he's walking on rough frozen ground. If that's the case it would make him more tentative in his stride. Take another clip on grass or when it thaws and I'm guessing he'd move out with ease.

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The ground is frozen and rough and he is lazy. He is not sound as a cat, but definatley far from unsound IMO. He is on good feed, but too me looks way fatter on the video then he does in person. He has been big bellied and stout since 3 months old and a complete standout for performance. He is already sold to a commercial breeder I was just seeing if I was barn blind or he is as good as I think he is. And when people critisize structure I take that with a grain of salt because it is amazing how when you get a pretty one people can forget about structure. Heck In Dew Time still gets used in the Simmi breed and I have seen more structurally unsound cattle out of him then maybe even any clubby bull.

But thanks for the input and thanks for being honest I feel it is always good to know others opinion weather you agree or not. First step to marketing is beliving in your product and think it is the best!

That is odd to me that In Dew Time throws bad structure cattle for you because I have been using him the last 4 or 5 years on clubby bred heifers that need to be fixed and he sure works for that. I also have a terrible legged herf x angus cow that is a whale but In Dew Time sure fixed her leg issues as her daughter is the most sound cow in my herd. In the case the video of that bull frozen ground or not he sure is stiff made and I would not use on any cattle of mine.

LN · Feb 7, 2012

Till-Hill said:
jackpotcattle said:

Top Knot said:

I believe he's walking on rough frozen ground. If that's the case it would make him more tentative in his stride. Take another clip on grass or when it thaws and I'm guessing he'd move out with ease.

Click to expand...

The ground is frozen and rough and he is lazy. He is not sound as a cat, but definatley far from unsound IMO. He is on good feed, but too me looks way fatter on the video then he does in person. He has been big bellied and stout since 3 months old and a complete standout for performance. He is already sold to a commercial breeder I was just seeing if I was barn blind or he is as good as I think he is. And when people critisize structure I take that with a grain of salt because it is amazing how when you get a pretty one people can forget about structure. Heck In Dew Time still gets used in the Simmi breed and I have seen more structurally unsound cattle out of him then maybe even any clubby bull.

But thanks for the input and thanks for being honest I feel it is always good to know others opinion weather you agree or not. First step to marketing is beliving in your product and think it is the best!

Click to expand...

That is odd to me that In Dew Time throws bad structure cattle for you because I have been using him the last 4 or 5 years on clubby bred heifers that need to be fixed and he sure works for that. I also have a terrible legged herf x angus cow that is a whale but In Dew Time sure fixed her leg issues as her daughter is the most sound cow in my herd. In the case the video of that bull frozen ground or not he sure is stiff made and I would not use on any cattle of mine.

All my In Dew Time's have been exceptionally sound as well. The only structure issue I've had in 20 calves is one has a bit too much angle to his pasterns.

dixieland cattle co · Feb 7, 2012

I think it's pretty funny how some of these guys find something wrong with every bull that gets pictured on here, but they never show any pictures of their own cattle. If a guy has a bull that looks the part, their EPD's are not good enough for them, and if they have perfect EPD's, the bull isn't sound or pretty enough. This bull in the video isn't perfect, but I am going to be willing to bet you guys got some at your place that aren't either.

kfacres · Feb 7, 2012

dixieland cattle co said:
I think it's pretty funny how some of these guys find something wrong with every bull that gets pictured on here, but they never show any pictures of their own cattle. If a guy has a bull that looks the part, their EPD's are not good enough for them, and if they have perfect EPD's, the bull isn't sound or pretty enough. This bull in the video isn't perfect, but I am going to be willing to bet you guys got some at your place that aren't either.

here's my bull jackwagon... as a baby.. and yearling

dixieland cattle co · Feb 7, 2012

I think your pictures prove that I won my bet. I wouldn't be so quick to talk bad about other folks cattle.

wyatt · Feb 7, 2012

i think both of there bulls look fairly good

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