Solid Red, Polled Shorthorn Bull Calf

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blackdiamond

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May 17, 2012 born.
 

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He seems to lack true shape, in both muscle and rib.  Fairly androgynous head. Can't really see his testicles (I assume it's quite cold out, so free pass there).  I do like his extension and from what I can see he has some base width and probably tracks fairly true.  Certainly better than the calf you took to Missouri.  
 

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To  be honest, when i glimpsed at first I thought it was a heifer. Great lines ,clean upfront and through his neck,  some extension up front. From coloring thought might be a plus calf. For breeding purposes I guess I would like to see more masculinity at this age. Might be a tick feminine for my taste.
 

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Olson Family Shorthorns said:
He seems to lack true shape, in both muscle and rib.  Fairly androgynous head. Can't really see his testicles (I assume it's quite cold out, so free pass there).  I do like his extension and from what I can see he has some base width and probably tracks fairly true.  Certainly better than the calf you took to Missouri.  

Bull from MO just needed a little more time.

This one is same way, he  just needs more time...  With that said, he'll be a better bull down the road.

Here's his basically full brother-- the bull that won MO.

Tight sheath huh? 

He just needs time, not sure if he'll be ready yet or not...

This calf has been on grain, for about 2 months- that's it... Sure would like to compare him to something of different genetics- under that type of growing condition...
 

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Yes Doc, those are scurs, not attached to anything.  Didn't even know they were there before we started knocking hair off.  I could be like everyone else, and knock them off for the sale, but won't.

Here's the MO Bull-- just needed time-- hard to argue it being the same bull.  Not sure what happened to that picture of him as a baby, but I think it got stretched somewhere along the line.
 

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OH Breeder said:
To  be honest, when i glimpsed at first I thought it was a heifer. Great lines ,clean upfront and through his neck,  some extension up front. From coloring thought might be a plus calf. For breeding purposes I guess I would like to see more masculinity at this age. Might be a tick feminine for my taste.
That kind of sums up my thoughts. If he were mine he would get cut and try to sell as a show steer and go to freezer beef if not.
 

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Yes Doc, those are scurs, not attached to anything.  Didn't even know they were there before we started knocking hair off.  I could be like everyone else, and knock them off for the sale, but won't.

You do that and if you are an ethical breeder , then you are supposed to register them as horned.
 

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I actually have a problem with calling scurred calves "horned".  They're not, as the horned gene and the scurred gene are different.  It is akin to registering a calf with one white hair on it as red, when it is most likely technically roan.
 

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Olson Family Shorthorns said:
I actually have a problem with calling scurred calves "horned".  They're not, as the horned gene and the scurred gene are different.  It is akin to registering a calf with one white hair on it as red, when it is most likely technically roan.

I understand what you are saying, but the way it has been explained to me is if you remove the scurs and just have the scar there , then no one can tell if the animal was horned or scurred without doing an x-ray.
 

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Well that is true.  But what if you register your bull with a few white hairs as "red", and someone breeds a lot of black cows to him, and out come a pile of blue roans?  That could seriously impact somebodies calf crop in what could be perceived as a very negative way.
 

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Olson Family Shorthorns said:
Well that is true.  But what if you register your bull with a few white hairs as "red", and someone breeds a lot of black cows to him, and out come a pile of blue roans?  That could seriously impact somebodies calf crop in what could be perceived as a very negative way.

So have you never reg. an animal with a little bit of white on them as red? I know I sure have.
 

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That's kind of my point.  If you're as an ethical breeder as possible, and I mean to the letter, you won't do that sort of thing.  I am guilty of this transgression, and probably many more.  It's really very harmless in the real scheme of things.
 
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I was under the strong assumption that in the Shorthorn Association you are supposed to register scurred as polled. I don't know why there isn't an option for scurred but I would sure like to see the rule that says they must be registered as horned.
 

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JTM said:
I was under the strong assumption that in the Shorthorn Association you are supposed to register scurred as polled. I don't know why there isn't an option for scurred but I would sure like to see the rule that says they must be registered as horned.

There is an option for scurred.
 

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The way I understand it, if it's scurred and you leave them on... register as polled...  If it's scurred and you take them off-- register as scurred...

This calf will remain 'polled'.

Been thinking about his masculinity problem- and I attribute that to the hair on the back of his neck being rubbed off from the bale ring... therefore, we've basically clipped his little baby crest out. 

Look at the calf in person, he has a bull head.
 

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The horned-polled deal is completely different than the scur deal. They are in no way related. They are a different gene sequence. You can have a homo polled bull with scurs I thought. And it seemed like sex had something to do with it also.
 

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blackdiamond said:
Been thinking about his masculinity problem- and I attribute that to the hair on the back of his neck being rubbed off from the bale ring... therefore, we've basically clipped his little baby crest out. 

So a bulls crest is hair?
 
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