Solid Red, Polled Shorthorn Bull Calf

Olson Family Shorthorns said:

Well that is true.  But what if you register your bull with a few white hairs as "red", and someone breeds a lot of black cows to him, and out come a pile of blue roans?  That could seriously impact somebodies calf crop in what could be perceived as a very negative way. /// Or very positive-I dont know anywhere that a blue roan wont bring good money,if its good. O0

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Olson Family Shorthorns said:

The sale barn around home they get docked more than a red one.

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Olson Family Shorthorns said:

He seems to lack true shape, in both muscle and rib.  Fairly androgynous head. Can't really see his testicles (I assume it's quite cold out, so free pass there).  I do like his extension and from what I can see he has some base width and probably tracks fairly true.  Certainly better than the calf you took to Missouri.  

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Duncraggan said:

Olson Family Shorthorns said:

He seems to lack true shape, in both muscle and rib.  Fairly androgynous head. Can't really see his testicles (I assume it's quite cold out, so free pass there).  I do like his extension and from what I can see he has some base width and probably tracks fairly true.  Certainly better than the calf you took to Missouri.  

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JMO.  Why do you guys shave these bullock's heads in what I can only imagine must be the dead of winter?  It is the hottest part of summer here in the Southern Hemisphere so I can only presume that it must be the coldest part of the Northern Hemisphere winter!  Your head is one of the biggest heat dissipating areas of the human body, I can't see why a bovine should be much different.

The energy used to keep his body temperature at an optimal level could be used better for growth or fattening.

When buying a bull, I want to see coarse, curly hair on the forehead, poll area and crest, it indicates higher virility, by shaving his head you are removing one of the better signs available to the buyer!  A bit like buying a car without starting the engine!

I wouldn't castrate him at this stage, but I prefer the roan bull in the second picture, judging by the photographs.

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blackdiamond said:

The way I understand it, if it's scurred and you leave them on... register as polled...  If it's scurred and you take them off-- register as scurred...

This calf will remain 'polled'.

Been thinking about his masculinity problem- and I attribute that to the hair on the back of his neck being rubbed off from the bale ring... therefore, we've basically clipped his little baby crest out. 

Look at the calf in person, he has a bull head.

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Cabanha Santa Isabel - BR said:

ALSO REGISTER ANIMALS WITH VERY VERY LITTLE WHITE POINTS ON CHEST OR BELLY AS WHITE, AS RED COLOR IS DOMINANTE SHADE ON 99,99% BODY. THE RED LITTLE WHITE ARE USED FOR ONES THAT SHOW WHITE LOWLINE AND STAR ON FACE, ALSO FOR SOME LITTLE ****E ON SHOULDERS AND BACK. ROANS ARE ONLY ROANS AND WHITES ARE WHITES.

REGARDING A VERY LITTLE WHITE ON RED COAT CAUSE SOME BLUE ROANS, CAN ASSUME THAT, BASED ON CO-DOMINANCE SHORTHORN COAT STANDARD, ALSO THE FULL RED ONES ARE ABLE TO PRODUCE BLACK/WHITE ANIMAIS AS WELL AS BLUE ROANS. AS FULL RED CAN PRODUCE A GOOD PERCENTAGE OF ROANS AND WHITES, SAME WHEN MATED WITH FULL RED COWS. IS EASIER TO KEEP A RED HERD, BUT TIME BY TIME DARK ROANS, ROANS , RED LITTLE WHITES AND SOME VERY RARE WHITE COATS WILL APPEAR.

BLACK CATTLE ARE NOT THE BEST ANIMALS IN THE WORLD, THIS IS AN UNTRUE MARKETING MADE INFORMATION. GOOD CATTLE, BUT NOT THE UNIQUE ONES!/// I would think the colors on your cattle down there would be a little more accurate to original Shorthorns-and (if they are Angus) the crosses with Angus would be as they used to be here. The Angus,Shorthorns,and certainly all the breeds that have been turned black are not pure cattle-or as unaddulterated as some other parts of the world. O0

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aj said:

I would say that there was a goof on one of the pedigrees or a mix up of some kind.

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justintime said:

Olson Family Shorthorns said:

The sale barn around home they get docked more than a red one.

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That is the unfair and fickle part of this business. Not many cattle will bring  more of a premium than a good set of blue roan calves, here in this part of the world.  Blue roan heifers will bring a very strong premium as replacements, and white and roan bulls are usually the easiest to sell for breeding bulls. You have got to admire the way the Angus breed has indoctrinated the industry with " black is best" philosophy. While I was in Denver, a Shorthorn breeder from Washington was telling me that he feeds out all his calves for many years. He said when he phones the large packer near him, they always tell him to bring as many Shorthorns in as he can, and he said he always gets a premium price. Seems like the balck colour doesn't seem to matter very much when they are hanging on the rail!

I have had 7 phone calls from guys looking for a new herd bull in the past 6 weeks, and everyone of them wanted a roan or white bull.  I probably won't have enough of them.

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