Texas Red Angus steers?

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Is the deal in Texas.........that they don't have to be purebred but they have to look purebred to qualify for shows? Is there or would there be a market for Red Angus-Shorthorn cross calves that look like Red Angus? I have been raising Shorthorn-Red Angus composites for almost 10 years now and this idea just hit me. The problem is they are mostly th,pha and ds free.....they may not have the extreme club calf look. Right now my calves are banging in around 50%. Thanks in advance.
 

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The deal with a red angus is if it's sorry enough it will classify,  look too good and you have a crossbred.  The guys with the chips never seen a good red.
 

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ITS A NEW BREED- TEXAS REDS  Ill bet Knabe and Xbar would recommend breeding the females of that cross to this "Shorthorn" shown at around 8 months O0  (lol) <beer>    https://vimeo.com/203758138
 

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Martie's red answer shortie bulls have caught my eyes. The unpromoted cattle are way better than the promoted cattle.
 

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Apples or Oranges?.Is there semen available to the huddled masses?And is he bred like their other commercially oriented bulls or like the calf shown? For Sensation all they did was take his sale video as a calf  and agree to sell semen on him to anybody.-If you look at his pedigree hes got a lot of the Gold-Catus Jack Etc similar to the Meg cow in some respects who is dam to Fischers bull..Marty has some real good cows-so Id think that there would be some good ones there by now . I was told Fischer's bull was so fat when they showed him you couldnt tell what he was-but that later on he looked good out on grass. A couple of his bull calves oughta make a great addition to something like Lovings sale-First the Enticer-traditional-or native based ones, next the newer ones that arent cow killers-then the Black ones. O0
 

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DS free too-I look at him as an idividual that looks thick without a lot of sheath or waste, moves like  I want-has some of the old blood back there,triple clean, should be ez calving-and has epds.  I could care less who owns him O0
 

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mark tenenbaum said:
ITS A NEW BREED- TEXAS REDS  Ill bet Knabe and Xbar would recommend breeding the females of that cross to this "Shorthorn" shown at around 8 months O0  (lol) <beer>    https://vimeo.com/203758138

Very little to nothing I like about that bull: Hes substantially higher across the hips than at the withers, he has the reverse wedge like a female, and, as a result, a very shallow chest floor. 

Here's what a bull should look like: compare and contrast
 

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Maybe you should watch the video-that calf tho clipped up because hes in a sale is massive on both ends for an 8 month old calf Take progeny of that 8 month old calf-and progeny of the  old  bull in the picture and the only thing you will see for certain at a SHOW is the hip and butt from the calfs progeny  when you are standing 5 or 6 places down the line with something out of the old bull along with a sloppy front.-And Ive seen a ton of Ltd Edition relatives for YEARS out in the plains of Kansas-and Nebraska calve Ez and make it on very sparce input. AJ started the thread  by referring to SHOW cattle even though he runs his cattle in a tough environment eg do or die or "commercial" environmemt That calf has  got alot of bases covered for SHOW cattle-We run our "SHOW "  cattle COMMERCIALLY too. The calf has  got alot of those bases covered. O0
 

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-XBAR- said:
mark tenenbaum said:
ITS A NEW BREED- TEXAS REDS  Ill bet Knabe and Xbar would recommend breeding the females of that cross to this "Shorthorn" shown at around 8 months O0  (lol) <beer>    https://vimeo.com/203758138

Very little to nothing I like about that bull: Hes substantially higher across the hips than at the withers, he has the reverse wedge like a female, and, as a result, a very shallow chest floor. 

Here's what a bull should look like: compare and contrast
So you want them deep chested, small boned, no hearted and shallow flanked?
 

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Mainevent said:
-XBAR- said:
mark tenenbaum said:
ITS A NEW BREED- TEXAS REDS  Ill bet Knabe and Xbar would recommend breeding the females of that cross to this "Shorthorn" shown at around 8 months O0  (lol) <beer>    https://vimeo.com/203758138

Very little to nothing I like about that bull: Hes substantially higher across the hips than at the withers, he has the reverse wedge like a female, and, as a result, a very shallow chest floor. 

Here's what a bull should look like: compare and contrast
So you want them deep chested, small boned, no hearted and shallow flanked?


And people wonder why shorthorns have a bad rap commercially. How in the hell do you see no heart? Deep chested is a good thing.
 

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I'm with you on that  Maine Event-Even though none of the bulls pictured exhibit a major lack heart girth. One of them certainlt exhibits some of the other things you listed.-And its naive at best to expect a young calf who isnt even close to full development to exhibit every desired trait to a 100 percent tee. SHOW ME A BETTER ONE AT THAT AGE. The worst rap ive seen on Shorthorns are :no power anywhere,lack of thickness .depth pf rib,etc etc. and lousy bws The maternal looking cattle get laughed out of contention as far as real world use until someone sells an x bred that is stout. Steermaker has not been a hard calver for the most part,Ive seen many over the years  and has very respectable EPDS, and would make 2 of most Shorthorn bulls.-and back when I had enough cattle around I sold a couple bulls out of him to commercial guys-They didnt give a Sh%%$&t about papers or anything else. The calf is close to a zero BW-epd along with the rest. Yea Yea heard all the crap on EPDS-Ive also heard about alot of huge calves coming out of so called CE bulls from Canada etc. O0
 

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I am so surprised that so little people jumped on the Durham Red train. I guess the Shorthorn breeders just don't like raising cattle that look like Red Angus. Then they started showing the plus's. They all ended up being black and carriers of a lethal genetic defects in the plus classes. I had envisioned classes of Red Angus-Shorthorn crosses all over the place.
 

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Doesnt look like they were supported-which was a dumb move by the assoc.And I saw some really good ones early on.Now they have the Angus xShorthorn cross up at the site. Granted its a great cross-it allways has been-but I thought the reds did more things in one go:and were a little more consistant looking-certainly for functional cattle you can show too. Why dont you post a couple pictures for all the friends and neighbors to see-not in jest, one time you had a pic of a bull and he looked the part-very stout,with an explosive backline that neither breed exhibits that often on its own.. O0 
 

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Shorthorn plus heifer
 

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Detour son we are using. 1a Red Angus
 

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