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Re: THE MAN WHO DISCOVERED DIVIDEND_AND THE IRISH CATTLE
« Reply #90 on: December 03, 2010, 07:57:18 AM »
picture of Deerpark Improver 52 taken from a Huberdale farm ad in the Shorthorn news...1985

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Re: THE MAN WHO DISCOVERED DIVIDEND_AND THE IRISH CATTLE
« Reply #91 on: December 03, 2010, 08:29:16 AM »
Rollie, I remember that picture, and it was taken at the end of the breeding season when he was a two year old so he was about 2.5 years old. There is another picture when he was 4 or 5 years old that shows him as a mature bull. I remember talking to Roger Hunsley after he visited Saskvalley and he saw the set of Mastercharge ( a son of Improver 52) two year old females on pasture. He told me that they were the best set of two year old females he had ever seen in any breed.
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Re: THE MAN WHO DISCOVERED DIVIDEND_AND THE IRISH CATTLE
« Reply #92 on: December 03, 2010, 02:52:11 PM »
hey DRB, Chapelton Liberty is from pre foot and mouth era, like most UK Shorthorns then , about 50% MA and 50% Shorthorn, the current Chapelton herd is all from  embyro project I put together for Mr Biggar... 28 donor cows and 12 sires... the best breeding bull in the UK is probably Chapelton Typhoon , http://www.chapeltonfarm.co.uk/home.html, also did their AA project. A number of these emybro bulls are now working in Ireland
That "Cavans Yankee" looks a lot more Shorthorn than Maine.....I like his looks.

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Re: THE MAN WHO DISCOVERED DIVIDEND_AND THE IRISH CATTLE
« Reply #93 on: December 03, 2010, 03:24:17 PM »
some pics of  guiness, and elbee, ayatollah... did you realize that the roan cattle in the orginal Irish pic I posted are from  Ballingarrrane, could be one of them is a Lilac the dam of the great Shannon Margie

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Re: THE MAN WHO DISCOVERED DIVIDEND_AND THE IRISH CATTLE
« Reply #94 on: December 03, 2010, 03:28:00 PM »
 
some pics of  guiness, and elbee, ayatollah... did you realize that the roan cattle in the orginal Irish pic I posted are from  Ballingarrrane, could be one of them is a Lilac the dam of the great Shannon Margie
I had just dug out a picture of Ayatollah as a mature bull for the sires of the past topic I was working on


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Re: THE MAN WHO DISCOVERED DIVIDEND_AND THE IRISH CATTLE
« Reply #95 on: December 03, 2010, 04:41:28 PM »
Tony Shultz of Iowa purchased Improver 3rd, I think at the Irish Sale from BGR after they were imported, along with a few Irish cows.  One of those cows produced Irish Pride, sire of Double Stuff, when mated to Improver 3rd.  From there, the 3rd went to Kansas.  Tony could probably tell you a little about him.  I was personally not a fan of Guiness.  He was reputed to be a cow killer by some at the time.  We had several calves sired by him and they were a little too 3-piece for me.  The calves we had by him were larger than the other Irish calves we had over the years by Ultimate Type, Leader 18th, Duke of Dublin, Leggs, and Quane.  I have a young full Irish Leader 18th cow that I would like to flush someday to Duke of Dublin or Quane. 

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Re: THE MAN WHO DISCOVERED DIVIDEND_AND THE IRISH CATTLE
« Reply #96 on: December 03, 2010, 10:14:57 PM »
Tony Shultz of Iowa purchased Improver 3rd, I think at the Irish Sale from BGR after they were imported, along with a few Irish cows.  One of those cows produced Irish Pride, sire of Double Stuff, when mated to Improver 3rd.  From there, the 3rd went to Kansas.  Tony could probably tell you a little about him.  I was personally not a fan of Guiness.  He was reputed to be a cow killer by some at the time.  We had several calves sired by him and they were a little too 3-piece for me.  The calves we had by him were larger than the other Irish calves we had over the years by Ultimate Type, Leader 18th, Duke of Dublin, Leggs, and Quane.  I have a young full Irish Leader 18th cow that I would like to flush someday to Duke of Dublin or Quane. 

what does "they were a little too 3-piece for me. " mean?  just curious...I've seen a few Guiness calves and they never reall impressed me...at weaning they were all head, horns, sheath and minimal hips.  They did look better as mature cows though.  The bulls never made it to that age.

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Re: THE MAN WHO DISCOVERED DIVIDEND_AND THE IRISH CATTLE
« Reply #97 on: December 04, 2010, 08:05:24 AM »
 The Guiness dtrs made good mommas, especially when crossed on "US" bulls. The bull that made the most money on dtrs was Prime Time. I had a Prime Time dtr out of the Robin R180 cow that flushed tremendous for me & produced 2 div. winners at Jr Natl's. I had another PT dtr that was full Irish out a Scarlet cow.
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Re: THE MAN WHO DISCOVERED DIVIDEND_AND THE IRISH CATTLE
« Reply #98 on: December 04, 2010, 08:14:38 AM »
Wasn't there a deal where a whole semen jug of Ayatollah was stolen in Lousiville or Denver or somewhere? Seems likean ad was run in the Shorthorn country about it. I always wondered.......if somewhere........there was a commercial herd........of 2100# black cows...........and the ole guy saying..........man...........that cheap shorthorn semen I bought sure did produce some big cows. ;D
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Re: THE MAN WHO DISCOVERED DIVIDEND_AND THE IRISH CATTLE
« Reply #99 on: December 04, 2010, 08:26:02 AM »
And wasn't this about the time that Pinedrive Big Sky was born? ;D
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Re: THE MAN WHO DISCOVERED DIVIDEND_AND THE IRISH CATTLE
« Reply #100 on: December 04, 2010, 09:22:25 AM »
And wasn't this about the time that Pinedrive Big Sky was born? ;D

pdbs is one bull i would like genotyped.  some people laughed when he came out.
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Re: THE MAN WHO DISCOVERED DIVIDEND_AND THE IRISH CATTLE
« Reply #101 on: December 04, 2010, 11:36:33 AM »
And wasn't this about the time that Pinedrive Big Sky was born? ;D

pdbs is one bull i would like genotyped.  some people laughed when he came out.

What's the story on Pinedrive Big Sky?  I remember he was huge.

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Re: THE MAN WHO DISCOVERED DIVIDEND_AND THE IRISH CATTLE
« Reply #102 on: December 04, 2010, 12:32:21 PM »
hey DRB, Chapelton Liberty is from pre foot and mouth era, like most UK Shorthorns then , about 50% MA and 50% Shorthorn, the current Chapelton herd is all from  embyro project I put together for Mr Biggar... 28 donor cows and 12 sires... the best breeding bull in the UK is probably Chapelton Typhoon , http://www.chapeltonfarm.co.uk/home.html, also did their AA project. A number of these emybro bulls are now working in Ireland
That "Cavans Yankee" looks a lot more Shorthorn than Maine.....I like his looks.

GB

Below is a pdigree for Cavans Yankee. I'm pretty proud of the fact he carries two crosses of the Diamond bulls that MajorJohn Gibb, Glenisla imported from us. Yankee is 7/8 shorthorn and 1/8 maine(maine fullblood)In Canada he would be 7/8 in the US he would 31/32. The Diamond Xerxes 8X bull shows up in a lot of UK pedigrees including one of the growth rate trait leaders. It is interesting that 8X was by Deer Trail Private Eye, a son of Deer Trail Goliath in turn by Guinness( Deerpark Improver2). we used one son and two grandsons of Guinness (both by Goliath) and it really worked for us. Calving ease was never an issue and the pelvic size of his descendants was huge. We had a call from a local Angus breeder who had photos of Yankee and was very impressed.
                             NORVYK MACBRIDE 52B (P) #X-462862 (100%)
             DIAMOND FORTUNE (P) (IMP CA) #X-M465929 (100%)
                            DIAMOND AMANDA MAID 12A (H) #F657860 (100%)
   Sire: GLENISLA RANNOCH R030 (P) #UK540307-700030-48 (97.65%)
                            DIAMOND XERXES 8X (P) (IMP CA) #DAN 8X.36 (100%)
             GLENISLA FOXGLOVE TANSY J52 (P) #GJP J52.41 (95.31%)
                            GLENISLA FOXGLOVE TANSY D3 (P) #GJP D3.37 (90.62%)
Animal: CAVANS YANKEE Y838 (H) #523800652  
                            TOFTS ROMANY (H) #RRJ E04.38 (56.25%)
            CHAPELTON MASTERKEY (H) #K0200-01900-44 (75%)
                            CHAPELTON BROADHOOKS H1 (P) #BID H1.40 (93.75%)
   Dam: CAVANS PRINCESS ROYAL (H) #523524-300004-47 (78.12%)
                            BALMYLE ZEPHYR (H) (ET) #BPW Z32FOT.33 (62.5%)
             CAVANS WATERLOO CLARISSA (H) #TCT C19.37 (81.25%)
                            CAVANS PRINCESS ANNETTE (H) #TCT X5.31 (100%)

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Re: THE MAN WHO DISCOVERED DIVIDEND_AND THE IRISH CATTLE
« Reply #103 on: December 04, 2010, 12:48:34 PM »
And wasn't this about the time that Pinedrive Big Sky was born? ;D

pdbs is one bull i would like genotyped.  some people laughed when he came out.

What's the story on Pinedrive Big Sky?  I remember he was huge.

so were chi's, maine's, holsteins and who knows what else.  doesn't mean he was, just that i'd like to see a dna profile of him and his parents.  there is only bloodtyping on file for his parents, though there is a snp file on file for him which would only help prove his descendants, not his parents.  still, i would like to see the bloodtyping on both parents.  we have to take the associations word for these files.

i have one calf who the sire was unknown and 6 or 7 sires were listed as rule outs.

in other words, a descendant can't normally have a marker that both parents don't have.  they could lose one easier than they could gain one.  gaining one would indicate something might be fishy.
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Re: THE MAN WHO DISCOVERED DIVIDEND_AND THE IRISH CATTLE
« Reply #104 on: December 04, 2010, 01:14:58 PM »
hey DRB, Chapelton Liberty is from pre foot and mouth era, like most UK Shorthorns then , about 50% MA and 50% Shorthorn, the current Chapelton herd is all from  embyro project I put together for Mr Biggar... 28 donor cows and 12 sires... the best breeding bull in the UK is probably Chapelton Typhoon , http://www.chapeltonfarm.co.uk/home.html, also did their AA project. A number of these emybro bulls are now working in Ireland


Here is Typhoon's pedigree.he actually has more US blood than Canadian. If you go back to the Blue Ridge Patience 10X cow her sire is Blue Ridge Impression by Ayatollah. Ayatollah often appears in the background of heavy muscled animals, no idea why!

                               PHILDON CUNIA DIVIDEND (H) #*XAR20454 (50%)
                       CF TRUMP X (P) #*X3909231 (75%)
                              CARMELE NG 158X (P) #*X3881362 (100%)
       Sire: CF VARSITY X (P) (IMP semen US #(USA)*4019565 (81.3%)
                               CF FORTUNE (H) #(USA)*3961594 (87.5%)
                  CF PROUD FOOL 830 FT X (P) #X-(USA)*3991235 (87.5%)
                               CF PROUD FOOL 673 TB (P) #X-(USA)*3966754 (87.5%)
Animal: CHAPELTON TYPHOON (P) (ET) #493801125 
                                   CCS STERLING X (P) #X US3867748 (100%)
                       CCS STERLING 11 (CAN) (P) #X-*2236 (100%)
                                   WC ROSEANN 8916 (P) #X-[US]*3854717 
     Dam: BLUE RIDGE CHEERLEADER 29E (P) #X-*3786 (100%)
                                 STRATHORE IRISH MAGIC 1W (H) #M458174 (100%)
                       BLUE RIDGE BABY PATIENCE 56A (H) #F657240 (100%)
                                 BLUE RIDGE PATIENCE 10X (H) #F649609 (100%)


 

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