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The resurrection of the 1980's simmentals
« on: July 09, 2012, 05:34:52 PM »
Here is one of my random thoughts:  With the cow herd numbers at 50+ year lows, and the present dry conditions across the true cattle country, could there be a place again in the industry for the " Big and Tall" ?  Crossed with today's marbling abilities and nutrition know how?  Could it be the next fad of the industry, history repeating itself?
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Re: The resurrection of the 1980's simmentals
« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2012, 05:38:16 PM »
Lets hope NOT.
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Re: The resurrection of the 1980's simmentals
« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2012, 06:33:52 PM »
if it does-- I've got a ton of 80s and early 90s sim semen sitting in my tank wanting a new home real badly.  Pappion and buck sons.

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Re: The resurrection of the 1980's simmentals
« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2012, 09:17:39 PM »
Send a unit of papillon to Kerry Taylor at univ of Missouri and anything else  Fullbloods SIMM.

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Re: The resurrection of the 1980's simmentals
« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2012, 09:45:22 PM »
I'm not saying we need to go back to the " All legs no gut era", but more pounds per head slaughtered does look like it could come into play. Just a thought.
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Re: The resurrection of the 1980's simmentals
« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2012, 09:52:36 PM »
I'm not saying we need to go back to the " All legs no gut era", but more pounds per head slaughtered does look like it could come into play. Just a thought.

Pounds per head slaughtered is a good thing AS LONG AS you take feed efficiency into consideration. Feed costs are at an all time high. With the dry conditions, mentioned above, feed shortage is a real concern. IMO it is important to consider beasts that are low input...that's where you see a return on investment.
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Re: The resurrection of the 1980's simmentals
« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2012, 09:54:46 PM »
I'd use Generation III(a Single Nick Doubletime son) and DS Pollfleck 809 again in a minute, if it weren't for the color dilution gene - they made some great halfblood SimAngus cows that lasted well into their teens, and produced some good calves here.
Papillon? Nah, don't want THAT much frame!
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Re: The resurrection of the 1980's simmentals
« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2012, 09:55:17 PM »
I would bet that some of the Shorthorn breeders would have a staw or two in the tank to help out the cause.
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Re: The resurrection of the 1980's simmentals
« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2012, 11:26:15 PM »
Oh gosh, I hope not.  I was looking at one of my old pictures from about 15 years ago, one of my champion females, and thinking what would happen if I showed up with the same cow today at a show.
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Re: The resurrection of the 1980's simmentals
« Reply #9 on: July 10, 2012, 04:26:01 AM »
I'm not saying we need to go back to the " All legs no gut era", but more pounds per head slaughtered does look like it could come into play. Just a thought.
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Re: The resurrection of the 1980's simmentals
« Reply #10 on: July 10, 2012, 10:23:06 AM »
This was the last one I showed, I believe he weighed in at 1207 late march calf, he was the heaviest at the fair that year. Our range was 900- 1300, under or over you could not show in market.  I could not tell you who he was out of, we purchased our calves from a lady who raised cattle for a hobby, she had around 30 cows. Her husband had a big electrical contracting company up in Linden, CA.

You can deffinitely see the Sim in his head and neck.
I think right after that year the calves all got about 3 to 6 inches taller. Chi was the next BIG thing, the race horses era had began.
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Re: The resurrection of the 1980's simmentals
« Reply #11 on: July 10, 2012, 02:28:05 PM »
I just bought a used tank with some older semen from the 90's I believe.
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Re: The resurrection of the 1980's simmentals
« Reply #12 on: July 10, 2012, 04:12:44 PM »
I'd use Generation III(a Single Nick Doubletime son) and DS Pollfleck 809 again in a minute, if it weren't for the color dilution gene - they made some great halfblood SimAngus cows that lasted well into their teens, and produced some good calves here.
Papillon? Nah, don't want THAT much frame!
Had a Buck daughter - never would breed; granted it was only one - but I didn't use him again.  When I look at his photos now, it's hard to believe that I ever considered using him.
Lucky,  I remember Generation 3- almost too wedge shape for the 80's? Who owned Generation 3?
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Re: The resurrection of the 1980's simmentals
« Reply #13 on: July 10, 2012, 04:15:58 PM »
This was the last one I showed, I believe he weighed in at 1207 late march calf, he was the heaviest at the fair that year. Our range was 900- 1300, under or over you could not show in market.  I could not tell you who he was out of, we purchased our calves from a lady who raised cattle for a hobby, she had around 30 cows. Her husband had a big electrical contracting company up in Linden, CA.

You can definite see the Sim in his head and neck.
I think right after that year the calves all got about 3 to 6 inches taller. Chi was the next BIG thing, the race horses era had began.
vc
we must be about the same age!!? your  outfit is awesome in this pic!   ;D
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Re: The resurrection of the 1980's simmentals
« Reply #14 on: July 10, 2012, 05:06:30 PM »
I was so glad when our fair started letting the kids wear blue jeans instead of white pants, you needed 2 to 3 pair of pants, and that was the only time they would wear them and by the next year they had out grown them.

Sue, I think it was right after I finished showing, Levi started making white jeans, I could have tolerated them allot more. I still remember my mom complaining about trying to find the white pants, and then how hard they were to get clean after the show. Market, showmanship, and then the sell, they got worse and worse each time.

 

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