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Re: The resurrection of the 1980's simmentals
« Reply #15 on: July 10, 2012, 08:11:33 PM »
Sue, Generation III was owned by Dave Stough and Singletree Farms. He was born in 1980. I referred back to my 1989 ABS sire directory, Singletree was a very prominent breeder of those flowered giants back then. Kingpin was also mostly owned by Michigan breeders.
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Re: The resurrection of the 1980's simmentals
« Reply #16 on: July 10, 2012, 08:22:39 PM »
Sue, Generation III was owned by Dave Stough and Singletree Farms. He was born in 1980. I referred back to my 1989 ABS sire directory, Singletree was a very prominent breeder of those flowered giants back then. Kingpin was also mostly owned by Michigan breeders.

any way u can post a pick of Gen 3? i remember him from when i was a kid and thought he was the best thing goin.
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Re: The resurrection of the 1980's simmentals
« Reply #17 on: July 10, 2012, 08:31:39 PM »
I will do my best, no grantees. The one in the abs book is his 1983 Denver pic. I would bet they have a shorter backdrop now. 63 inch hip height with a 52 inch flank height.
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Re: The resurrection of the 1980's simmentals
« Reply #18 on: July 10, 2012, 09:13:19 PM »
In response to the original post... Lord, help us if that happens! Thank goodness not every Simmental breeder went down that path...I think that's what saved us when the market crashed in '94. Because of that, Ryan, there were actually some usable bulls by the late 1990s. Not that every bull from 1980 until the mid 90s was all bad--we actually owned a Papillion son from Volks in NE that was a pretty dang good bull. I've seen some train wrecks, too, though...Pavilion, Superstar, Lightning, Tribute, Victory, and my favorite...Keystone. I had one of those, too...the best thing I got out of owning that bull was an education about real world cattle breeding! And the next bull I bought was a good one! We had cattle out of some of those big bulls that weren't bad cattle, but there weren't a lot of em that you could classify as small framed or early maturing. In all honesty, I think our weaning weights have increased or at least maintained as we've decreased frame drastically, and we've improved efficiency, productivity, fertility, soundness & longevity.

I'm actually going back and using some Bold Future on some Angus cows that I manage now, and those heifers are sure nice. I like em enough that I plan to make some more of em next year!

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Re: The resurrection of the 1980's simmentals
« Reply #19 on: July 10, 2012, 09:41:11 PM »
owned a Papillion son from Volks in NE that was a pretty dang good bull.

pretty much the exact stuff in our tank- if my memory serves correctly. 

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Re: The resurrection of the 1980's simmentals
« Reply #20 on: July 10, 2012, 10:23:21 PM »
Is there any Galant semen left?
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Re: The resurrection of the 1980's simmentals
« Reply #21 on: July 10, 2012, 10:24:10 PM »
Registration number 10 I think.
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Re: The resurrection of the 1980's simmentals
« Reply #22 on: July 10, 2012, 11:24:30 PM »
Send a unit of papillon to Jerry Taylor at univ of Missouri and anything else  Fullbloods SIMM.

YES!  That would be great.

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Re: The resurrection of the 1980's simmentals
« Reply #23 on: July 10, 2012, 11:32:48 PM »
Our Papillion was out of Volks 509T donor...I think that was her number. We bought a bull one year that bred a few cows then died under a hay wagon on Christmas Eve...went back that next March and got another one out of the same cow. We had good luck with that bull.

Galant was a good bull. We had one daughter that was born in 1974 and produced until she was 16. Her last calf fell in a pond and drowned...not her fault, but she was without a baby that year & she was forced into retirement. Way ahead of her time...moderate framed, solid red blaze faced cow...I think she may be the only cow from our old red purebred program that we still have genetics from since we started breeding all blacks.

I'd be surprised if you found any of that semen, but you never know. It'd be in ampules...prob in a tank with some Abricot, Signal, Bismark, Bar 11 Ueli, Parisien, Florien, Renz and Bavarian!

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Re: The resurrection of the 1980's simmentals
« Reply #24 on: July 11, 2012, 03:52:26 AM »
Leanbeef, I still have a little bit of that Galant in my tank but I am sure it is in straws.  It is there right with the Abricot, Canadian Salvator, Extra, Achilles, Prairie Boy, and Superstar among some others.  The scary thing is that I acquired all of these after they had become somewhat scarce but still had popularity and some cost quite a bit of money as in excess of $100 a dose.  I never bought any Signal semen as by that time what was alleged to have been smuggled into Canada was priced at $150 or more a dose and what was here legally was $300 plus.   I do not have any Papillon as i used all of it with very little success but am equally lucky to have his sire Salute of Sim Pol along with some others that were the height of popularity in the mid eighties.

I was always a big fan of Galant bred cows as I felt that while they might not be the extreme top producers they had a lot of really strong maternal traits and were fairly easy doing for the time.  Pretty well all of what I considered my top cows for a long time had a shot of Galant in them not to far back.

Here are pictures of Generation III and his sire Single Nick Doubletime.

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Re: The resurrection of the 1980's simmentals
« Reply #25 on: July 11, 2012, 12:13:03 PM »
Yikes!  Didn't remember GenIII being that 'leggy' - but it has been over 20 years since I bred to him. 
Still, the daughters out of Angus cows were good enough that I wouldn't necessarily back away from him if someone GAVE me the semen. 

Had considered, within the last few years, trying some Autobahn, who was, if I recall correctly, a son of DS Pollfleck 809 that Select Sires was carrying(and may still have available off the main sires list) - but opted to go for 'black', with more marbling and tenderness and comparable growth and ribeye.

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Re: The resurrection of the 1980's simmentals
« Reply #26 on: July 11, 2012, 01:08:53 PM »
Dad says the signal daughters were very good for there time.... When you could get them to breed. And the flecks should have all been recips. Haha
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Re: The resurrection of the 1980's simmentals
« Reply #27 on: July 11, 2012, 03:08:51 PM »
I was 4 when Dad started AIing our commercial cows in '71, so I didn't get to help out with any matings back then. I still don't know why he never used Galant and Signal and Abricot and some of this bulls. I remember him using Florian quite a bit early on and a few years later Renz, Ulk, Bar 5 Stretch, Bismark and some others. He bought a fullblood bull in 1977 and got away from AI for a few years...it may have been a blessing! I started showing in the early '80s & I woulda been begging him to use some of the bulls that were winning then. I'm sure we woulda butted heads over that! He bought some pretty good bulls, and we stayed more true to his commercial roots. I learned my lesson the hard way when I got to start making some decisions on my own...that's probably why I like cows a frame score smaller now than a lot of purebred breeders.

I think Doubletime was a Mr Clean son...we had one of those and a few Keep It Cleans that were all awful good cows.

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Re: The resurrection of the 1980's simmentals
« Reply #28 on: July 11, 2012, 03:57:50 PM »
Yes , no point in going back to the 80's. But keep posting pictures, I love the outfits!

Kingpin was shown in Detroit the year we helped a large simm breeder. I do not remember the group that owned him?
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Re: The resurrection of the 1980's simmentals
« Reply #29 on: July 11, 2012, 04:20:47 PM »
Yikes!  Didn't remember GenIII being that 'leggy' - but it has been over 20 years since I bred to him. 
Still, the daughters out of Angus cows were good enough that I wouldn't necessarily back away from him if someone GAVE me the semen. 

Had considered, within the last few years, trying some Autobahn, who was, if I recall correctly, a son of DS Pollfleck 809 that Select Sires was carrying(and may still have available off the main sires list) - but opted to go for 'black', with more marbling and tenderness and comparable growth and ribeye.

It's funny how different things are when we have a new point of reference. I didn't remember thinking Generaton III was "extreme" at the time. And I'm not sure how he'd look standing next to Keystone and Papillion, but he was pretty leggy compared to anything I've used in the LAST 10 years! I never saw a bunch of those cattle, but I don't remember the Generations being extremely big at the time. I'm not sure Doubletime & Mr. Clean wouldn't make some decent females now, especially on Angus or crossbred cows.

The Pollflecks were really good cows, too. I don't remember him being a dilution gene carrier, but he might have been. I wasn't a huge fan of Autobahn...I always just thot he was ugly. Some "ugly" bulls make good cows, though, so I dunno...

 

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