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kfacres

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The Holstein breed is haviing significat problems finding a decent outcross, without crossbreeding..  It's a problem that is over the entire world...  If I remember correctly, 98+% of all Holsteins in the world trace back to 3 bulls...  Hmm?  I guess this is the problem when the great bulls, embroyos, and live cattle are exported and imported to every country..

Maybe this is something the Shorthorn breeders should think about?
 

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This isn't just affecting cattle, another example would be the Thoroughbred horse (my passion in life ;) )

Every Thoroughbred horse in the world trace back to these 3 foundation sires

the Godolphin Arabian 1724

The Godolphin Arabian is named for his most famous owner, the Earl of Godolphin. Possibly the most important of the early foundation sires to American horse racing, many of the American foundation sires had strong connections to the Godolphin Arabian line. It is interesting to note that while more horses can trace their sire line back to the Darley Arabian, the Godolphin Arabian is commonly found in the dam lines of modern Thoroughbreds. Many champions have descended from the Godolphin Arabian and his get, which is surprising given that he was not the prized horse of his stable at first. 

Darley Arabian

The Darley Arabian was bought in Syria by Thomas Darley in 1704. He stood 15 hands tall and was considered a very attractive specimen. As a stud at Aldby Park, he sired many successful horses of the time, and his bloodline is one of the most dominant. An estimated 95% of male horses trace their line back to this horse. Possibly the greatest achievement of the Darley Arabian was that his offspring led to Eclipse, the most important of the later foundation sires in terms of achievements in both racing and breeding.

Byerley Turk 1680

The Byerley Turk was the earliest foundation sire, brought to Britain after Captain Robert Byerley captured him at the Battle of Buda in 1686. As a warhorse, the Turk served Byerley throughout the rest of his career, including at the Battle of the Boyne. The Byerley Turk was retired to stud after his owner gave up the military life, and he became an influential sire.

 

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Maybe this is something the Shorthorn breeders should think about?
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HAHAHA what are you saying, having Trump 8 times in a pedigree is bad thing?  ;)
 

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hangonsloopy said:
Maybe this is something the Shorthorn breeders should think about?

HAHAHA what are you saying, having Trump 8 times in a pedigree is bad thing?  ;)

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8 times might not be bad in 20 generations.. but 14 times in 5 generations... might be a bit overkill. O0 (dog)
 

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the truth said:
HAHAHA what are you saying, having Trump 8 times in a pedigree is bad thing?  ;)

every calf by trump is 50% trump, more than 99% of all calves with trump breeding will ever be.  don't really see the problem.

i personally don't care for him, but that isn't reason enough for others not to like him. obviously people like him.
 

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We had a full Irish calf several years ago, that was born with 5 legs. It had the 4 normal legs and a fifth fully formed leg coming out of its hip just below the pin bone. This "extra' leg just flopped  and other than this, the calf was normal. It was intensely linebred to the Leader line of Irish, so I suspect that had a part in this defect happening. The calf was a heifer and we did not keep her for breeding purposes. Maybe we should have kept her and seen if we could have developed a calf with 6 legs!
 

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justintime said:
We had a full Irish calf several years ago, that was born with 5 legs. It had the 4 normal legs and a fifth fully formed leg coming out of its hip just below the pin bone. This "extra' leg just flopped  and other than this, the calf was normal. It was intensely linebred to the Leader line of Irish, so I suspect that had a part in this defect happening. The calf was a heifer and we did not keep her for breeding purposes. Maybe we should have kept her and seen if we could have developed a calf with 6 legs!

not necessarily.  could just be an incompletely divided twin.
 

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justintime said:
We had a full Irish calf several years ago, that was born with 5 legs. It had the 4 normal legs and a fifth fully formed leg coming out of its hip just below the pin bone. This "extra' leg just flopped  and other than this, the calf was normal. It was intensely linebred to the Leader line of Irish, so I suspect that had a part in this defect happening. The calf was a heifer and we did not keep her for breeding purposes. Maybe we should have kept her and seen if we could have developed a calf with 6 legs!

I would have bred her back to a son, and seen what happened
 

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knabe said:
justintime said:
We had a full Irish calf several years ago, that was born with 5 legs. It had the 4 normal legs and a fifth fully formed leg coming out of its hip just below the pin bone. This "extra' leg just flopped  and other than this, the calf was normal. It was intensely linebred to the Leader line of Irish, so I suspect that had a part in this defect happening. The calf was a heifer and we did not keep her for breeding purposes. Maybe we should have kept her and seen if we could have developed a calf with 6 legs!

not necessarily.  could just be an incompletely divided twin.
I agree usually extra limbs are from an incompletely divided twin. We had a dead calf delivered by C section years ago with two heads,four front legs and two hind legs and a single tail. It wasn't pretty.
 

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something very similar at our place.. had a cow with two tonges hanging out, as apparentlly she was having two twins at the same time.  We had to pull the calf, and really it had 4 jaws, and 4 tonges.  Something like at Halloween time you might see.  The calf was alive and healthy, but could not nurse due to not being able to close it's mouth completely.  We wanted to keep it alive, to see if we could.. and so we let the milk run from the bottle down it's throat- where it would just swallow.  After a couple of days, we got it to drink from a bucket.  This calf lived for 2 weeks, until we figured it would lived.. and we put it down from lead poisioning...  I wish I could find a picture of this calf, as I'm sure we took one.  it was a real freak. 
 
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