Thoughts on this shorthorn bull calf

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trevorgreycattleco

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Wolf Ridge Red Commander x JSF Reload. Out of a first calf heifer. I will be weighing him later this week. He's been on feed for about 3 weeks. He's really starting to take off. If he keeps it up, he will be my herd bull next year. His dam is bred back to 034. Born 2-14-15. He weighed 71 pounds.
 

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I'm terrible at guessing weights but he's gotta be 750 plus. I left the calves on the cows until the grass was all gone. No creep. He's got some thickness. Moves out pretty good. Dam is a Byland bred cow. Reload x Byland Victory x Mel Bar 347 on the Velvet cow line. pretty interesting mix of Bulls when you go back two generations.
 

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I'll get a picture of his dam tomorrow. She's a little flat sided for me and longer legged than I'd prefer but she raised a good calf, bred AI and stayed in good shape. She's quiet.
 

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That's a good looking bull calf. Looking at his pedigree I was impressed by the grandsire's EPD's (thumbsup) Not many bulls are above average in almost every trait and he has some reasonable accuracies to go with them. There are some very good K-Kim cattle and I always liked the ones from the original program that focused on red and performance. As well the Maclean Ranch cattle were performance and oriented with function and show up in a lot of the succesfull JSF pedigrees.
 

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Looking good Brock!Like Beebe said the first thing that grabs your attention is his depth.He looks as stout as you would want a calving ease bull to be and his shoulder is super smooth.It is good to see how Red Commander has nicked with a more mainstream pedigree.Have you weighed him yet?What is his frame score?
 

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Okotoks said:
That's a good looking bull calf. Looking at his pedigree I was impressed by the grandsire's EPD's (thumbsup) Not many bulls are above average in almost every trait and he has some reasonable accuracies to go with them. There are some very good K-Kim cattle and I always liked the ones from the original program that focused on red and performance. As well the Maclean Ranch cattle were performance and oriented with function and show up in a lot of the succesfull JSF pedigrees.


I always liked the revamp bull in his pictures. I never did like the picture of Reload in Bylands ad but he shows up is some good cows. Not as much as JSF Top Hand but I still see him. I think a lot of the older JSF Bulls that first came out are better than their epd's suggest. I think they got buried to better other bulls.
 

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r.n.reed said:
Looking good Brock!Like Beebe said the first thing that grabs your attention is his depth.He looks as stout as you would want a calving ease bull to be and his shoulder is super smooth.It is good to see how Red Commander has nicked with a more mainstream pedigree.Have you weighed him yet?What is his frame score?

Gary, I'm going to go borrow some scales over the holidays hopefully and get him weighed. Im curious to know. I haven't registered any of these calves yet. I have another Red Commander roan bull calf out of a Proud Leader cow that I got in the weaning pen yesterday finally. He's at least %65 of his dam. She's a little cow that goes back to Eagle 226 back to RS 034's dam. He's cool. I'll get a picture of him soon. This red calf pictured is a frame score shorter and thicker than another bull I have that's a Leveldale Ringo x JPJ. It turned dry here late summer and fall and this red calf just kept getting thicker and growing. I started feeding them corn and bean meal and he's taking off. My boy and I will be working with the Bulls this winter. They should look Good come spring all clipped out in the sunshine. Here's another picture of him. His feet are too close together but he doesn't normally stand like that.
 

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You're killing me cutting that roan out of the picture.
I hope you post a picture of the roan bull and his dam also. Maybe you will be the guy that brings back roans! According to the old books, roans were always the best feeders but the Americans just had to have red so that's Cruickshank sent over from Scotland. He preferred roans and would slide in dark roans if they were exceptional.
Congratulations on your good results. I love to see a bull calf with heart girth like that.
Did you get any Red Commander heifers?

 

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librarian said:
You're killing me cutting that roan out of the picture.
I hope you post a picture of the roan bull and his dam also. Maybe you will be the guy that brings back roans! According to the old books, roans were always the best feeders but the Americans just had to have red so that's Cruickshank sent over from Scotland. He preferred roans and would slide in dark roans if they were exceptional.
Congratulations on your good results. I love to see a bull calf with heart girth like that.
Did you get any Red Commander heifers?


I will always breed roans. I hate the solid color fad. Or those wanting to turn the breed black like the others breeds did. So many good animals culled over color. Sad. I'll get some more pictures. That heifer is a Ringo x JPJ. She is extreme boned for a purebred. Thick. Big ribbed. Lost her ear tips to frostbite. I'm debating whether to keep her or sell her. She's got a ton of hair. I have a picture of her as a calf.
 

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Looks good Brock. I like him. He has a real good head shape and smooth shoulders.


As far as being red or roan, in our case it's been more that the roans have been culled and the reds have just survived the minimums better than the whites and the roans. Not trying to say one way or the other but that's just been my experience on my farm. It's all about genetics though.
 

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Just a guess, but I'd say the reds are doing better because they've been bred up better over the last two decades or so. Roans are not selected for. It has to be a really good roan to even get considered these days unless we are talking show ring. I think way too many good animals were culled over color alone.
 

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I have a roan recovery idea using one of those bred up red bulls on white cows.
This is the entire program- one white heifer and one red bull calf.
Who is the roan cow standing back by your barn in the picture of the roan calf?
Do you have a picture of your roan bull calf out of Red Commander?
 

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Bull looks good he will be fun to watch develop.  The roan heifer is quite the looker, I think she will make a great replacement for anyone.
 

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E3 Durhams said:
librarian said:
You're killing me cutting that roan out of the picture.
I hope you post a picture of the roan bull and his dam also. Maybe you will be the guy that brings back roans! According to the old books, roans were always the best feeders but the Americans just had to have red so that's Cruickshank sent over from Scotland. He preferred roans and would slide in dark roans if they were exceptional.
Congratulations on your good results. I love to see a bull calf with heart girth like that.
Did you get any Red Commander heifers?


I will always breed roans. I hate the solid color fad. Or those wanting to turn the breed black like the others breeds did. So many good animals culled over color. Sad. I'll get some more pictures. That heifer is a Ringo x JPJ. She is extreme boned for a purebred. Thick. Big ribbed. Lost her ear tips to frostbite. I'm debating whether to keep her or sell her. She's got a ton of hair. I have a picture of her as a calf.////// Anytime you get a hiefer that good-let us know before you cull her-I wouldnt give a rats a#%^&*(S  about frozen ears with a potential breeding piece like her O0
 

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Thanks Mark. I just wished these calves. Heifer weighed 632. The bull weighs 762. He's a frame score shorter than my heaviest bull who weighs 784. I think he's my herd ill for sure. The roan calf I haven't pictured yet weighs 654. His dam weaned well over half her body weight. I've got another picture of this bull calf's dam. She's growing on me. Very compact udder. I was skeptical if she'd milk but this first calf of hers says she does. I'll try and get a good picture of the roan bull and the roan heifer next few days. I'm happy with the weights. I have very limited pasture. It turned dry late summer. No creep. I left the calves on the cows as long as the grass was growing. I would chalk up the first year to acceptable. I'd be willing to Sell the roan heifer to you Mark. She's getting over Rain Rot. That threw me for a loop. But money is tight. It's not snowing. I don't get paid if it don't snow. I'm nervous. I'd like to sell the roan bull and sell half the solid red bull. I'd like to keep breeding rights a few months out of the year.
 

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