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Re: Top 5 thickest shorthorn bulls available.
« Reply #135 on: February 06, 2019, 05:00:18 PM »
Double Vision.  True, he is Clubby and THC!  (I can not remember his PHA status?).  But THICK!  And that was the criteria of the original post.??? No it wasnt- they were just kidding-it has been revamped to commercially oreiented cattle only and even some pigs LOL-Vision was: th, pha. but DS clean-and like: Double Stuff. Steermaker, and Proud Jazz, (or a couple sons like Capiche) was used on more types of cattle then any Shorthorns available  O0

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« Reply #136 on: February 06, 2019, 05:19:32 PM »
Double Vision.  True, he is Clubby and THC!  (I can not remember his PHA status?).  But THICK!  And that was the criteria of the original post.??? No it wasnt- they were just kidding-it has been revamped to commercially oreiented cattle only and even some pigs LOL-Vision was: th, pha. but DS clean-and like: Double Stuff. Steermaker, and Proud Jazz, (or a couple sons like Capiche) was used on more types of cattle then any Shorthorns available  O0


Jesus man. Would you just stop. I was just kidding? Youre high. If you dont have anything positive to contribute then just move along. It was a legit question. Obviously youre still sour.

Ive been having private conversations. Im not required to keep you posted on what Im doing.

This thread has been super useful for me so far. Chill out homie  O0
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Re: Top 5 thickest shorthorn bulls available.
« Reply #137 on: February 06, 2019, 05:42:35 PM »
I"m not sour at all: nor am I high:which is a childish cliche at best  Threads evolve than dissolve-This deal has covered a number of other topics and this guy was just adding an opinion-and I added my opinion: based  upon semen sales from the US purebred deals-to the commercial deals that had not had a viable Shorthorn on offer for years People arent drunk or stoned just because they dont take the same direction you do in every sentence-As far as sour-the tamtrums and histrionics EXLAX has been directing at just about anybody: especially JIT might deserve a little of your attention. Posting gory pictures of dead calves etc to try and maintain some sort of upperhand or whatever is not only juvenile-its down right distastefull. And yeah yeah-we've all dealt with these kinds of things-You arent the only people in the world who have ever been around cattle. O0
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« Reply #138 on: February 06, 2019, 07:27:02 PM »
Histrionic. Damn mark- reaching deep tonight.  Impressive. 

But  distasteful?  Hahaha mufuker please-  the swindler who sells these type bulls as viable commercial options is the distasteful one.  Im merely showing the results of our encounter in an attempt to provide some context to his outlandish, utter bs claims.  Substantiating mine by disputing his.

Heres one I got out alive, 143 lbs. Pulled him in a creek bottom with a come along. Made my 120lb fianc look like a small child. 
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Re: Top 5 thickest shorthorn bulls available.
« Reply #139 on: February 06, 2019, 08:16:24 PM »
You have no proof of intent other than your bleets about a deal to buy a bull where you claim you were misled-A swindler takes consideration and does not deliver the product as agreed-You made a decision based upon your knowledge and experience that this bull might work-you paid for a bull per a contract-it was delivered-Were there warranties and or guarantees clearly laid out in your agreement as to the range of calving weights by the bull and based upon the sellers full acknowledgement of the type pf cows you were going to use him on? Expected progeny differences are just that.So there are no absolutes-and as such-there are no reliances strong enough to justify cause per se- against either the owner of the bull or the owner of the cow in the case of a huge BW  Unless warranted in writing. Who struck John Dont Count: and only God knows the outcome of future births. Did every calf on your place out of that bull come as a monster? YOUR TURN TO TELL THE TRUTH And did the females involved with the big BWS  share ANY of the same breeding? YO GOOBER-LOOKS TO ME LIKE YOU DUPED YOSELF MOFO-But big tough Cowboyzzz dont cry and fuss-they move onto the next rodeo   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THquGPFx5YU O0
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Re: Top 5 thickest shorthorn bulls available.
« Reply #140 on: February 06, 2019, 09:14:57 PM »
I had calved the exact same group of cows to both JR Drover 05X and YY Cartwright, a Bonanza son, the two years prior and only pulled 1 calf.  A 7155 daughter had a big, what I thought at the time, 85lb calf.  All of the other calves were mid 70s, or less.  Some even low 60s.   Year 3 Vanguard alone bred these cows and birthweights on bull calves jumped 50lbs.  I have a photo album of every calf of his I pulled if you want to see any more?  Thank god I didn't dismiss all canadian cattle at this point as I went back to Saskatchewan, this time to Saskvalley to purchase the bull in my avatar, Alamo 8A.   Night and day difference in terms of the calving ease between these two bulls.  I pulled more vanguard bull calves the first month of calving to him than I have Alamo in 3 years.  I think I've pulled maybe 3 calves out close to a 100.. ALL of which required assistance were first calf heifers.  You want to bring into question my knowledge and experience-- well I'll be the first to tell you that I had no knowledge or experience with cattle that have 120+lb birthweights.   I get it that in this dress up world you play in maybe thats more common but in the real world, cattle like this were bred out 50 years ago.  I can remember as a kid my grandpa telling me about 140lb Fullblood Charolais calves he had out of Fullbloods he had imported and quarantined in Canada but like I said, that was in the late 1960s- 50 years prior!   I put my faith and money in JIT's presented expertise.  Read any of his posts: these cattle hung the moon!  Without question he presents himself by any legal standard as an "expert" within the breed- who would I, at the time, be to question that which he presents so definitively!?   I don't think it was a reach on my part to assume bulls with this kind of birth weight had long been rid from the gene pool.     I did move on to the next rodeo-  I went and bought Alamo, went to Indiana bought Waukaru Forward, Illinois for Leveldale Genesis, Rigby Idaho for Diamond K Roan Ranger, etc.   I've used everyone of these bulls (with the exception of Roan Ranger whose calves will come in April) and have been very happy with them all.   My experience with them has been what any reasonably minded person would expect.  Maybe pull a couple out of heifers-- but none out of cows-- and certainly not slews of 130lbers that kill the cow and calf.   I lost at least 5 cows three years or older- and if you want to talk **** and not believe that Ill dig through the ten thousand pics on my iphone and post everyone of them- .  The straw that finally broke the camels back was that piece of **** killing one of my brangus cows who was seven years old and who had had 6 unassisted calves prior.  I found them hiplocked, the calf dead cow barely alive.  I got the calf out and I swear to god he had to have been 140lbs.  He looked like a 2 month old calf just a massive muscular hip, just like you see on the roan bull calf swinging from the tractor forks.  Nothing had ever been like that on our place before and thankful not since. 
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Re: Top 5 thickest shorthorn bulls available.
« Reply #141 on: February 06, 2019, 09:44:11 PM »
Then -my question is how was this bull presented RE calving "parameters"? And approximately what year did you engage in the purchase ? (Perry Mason at your service) i do remember him stating that Major Leroy could throw a big one-not a heifer bull etc- But I am NOT clear anymore when that was-in relation to all this-Maybe this happened elsewhere with sons of Leroy or on his place-I dont know. i am still curious how the females that really had catastrophic results with that bull were bred-It does not have to be public and I am not in the mood to lay blame or sensationalize anything O0

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« Reply #142 on: February 07, 2019, 08:52:40 AM »
There is one fact out there. There are some Shorthorn bulls out there that are cow killers. You can't dance around it. Maybe not most of them. But a higher % than other breeds.....not counting the club calf mess.
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Re: Top 5 thickest shorthorn bulls available.
« Reply #143 on: February 07, 2019, 09:37:13 PM »
There is one fact out there. There are some Shorthorn bulls out there that are cow killers. You can't dance around it. Maybe not most of them. But a higher % than other breeds.....not counting the club calf mess./// The unique genetic makeup that  have made them outdo themselves when you cross them on other breeds seems to mutate or react in just as extreme a manner when you breed them to the wrong short horn And there have have been instances where the same cow killer hasn"t thrown any monsters on other breeding or types. Llynette Janes herd is an example-she has a bunch of Leroy daughters and likes them very well. Her husband is strictly a salebarn type-one problem and the cow is gone.Still havent heard about the breeding on the bull in question other than he was a leroy son.Sounds like every calf was a monster no matter what the cow was-Or was that every bull calf? O0

 

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