Quantcast Top 5 thickest shorthorn bulls available.

Sponsors







Author Topic: Top 5 thickest shorthorn bulls available.  (Read 10594 times)

Offline E6 Durhams

  • County Champion Poster
  • *****
  • Posts: 2046
  • Karma 175
  • Brock Eagon 740-815-4145
    • View Profile
Re: Top 5 thickest shorthorn bulls available.
« Reply #30 on: January 31, 2019, 11:55:58 PM »
Name the ones I have talked about that fizzeled and name the Shorthorn bulls you have been involved with that had ANY impact on the breed-hate to talk National or Louisville  champions Ive only been involved with 6 of those and bring your texas cattle up to southern kansas where my cows are in august-its hotter-no on second thought bring them now when its ten below zero-just dont get laughed out of the show ring-we do that on a national level along with weighing every calf and having real EPDS on the cattle-we have black crosses-heavens dont let friends cross breed or use cross bred bulls-we have friends across alot of breeds-we like farmers in general and grew up on a handshake-you clearly come from another generation. I suggest you take all the backtracking adjectives that you have just used to reinvent your thread in the last minute-and commit them to the algorthym down below-or basically state in your thread that you do not want anything but Angus and Native Shorthorn answers to your question or only those bloodlines specific to your interest and all others are unworthy of your consideration- O0

Go home dude. Youre drunk. Funny Ive never read once where you alone did anything. Seems to me you pay people to raise your cattle and clip your calves. Then you show up at the show like some kingpin. I tried to be nice earlier. I liked the Compton Fresh Air bull. Even sent his picture in a private group text. But since I didnt kiss the ring on this public forum Im now just being a punk. Ok. I dont care if I ever raise a national champ show bull. I sure as hell wont pay somebody to raise my cattle either. Its bedn below zero here for two days. Cows here get fed every other day. They dont get any special care. I can promise you its colder here in Ohio than Kansas!
Cleveland Browns...... super bowl champs 2019. Heard it here first. And charcuterie is the next hot food trend with the hipsters.

Online mark tenenbaum

  • State Champion Poster
  • ******
  • Posts: 4864
  • Karma 134
    • View Profile
Re: Top 5 thickest shorthorn bulls available.
« Reply #31 on: February 01, 2019, 08:18:43 AM »
Very logical and directed comment-you dont have anything intelligent to say so you resort to childish babble like I said-different generation and like you said in the other thread "I have nothing to ad"-That all you got?go tweet on your I phone Junior  O0
« Last Edit: February 01, 2019, 08:25:05 AM by mark tenenbaum »

Offline oakview

  • County Champion Poster
  • *****
  • Posts: 1212
  • Karma 70
    • View Profile
Re: Top 5 thickest shorthorn bulls available.
« Reply #32 on: February 01, 2019, 09:11:35 AM »
Yet another example of why so many people have quit participating on SP, as if we needed another one.  A guy asks a simple question, several of us offered our opinions that we were asked for, and the thread turns into a pissing match.  It's no wonder it's hard to sell Shorthorns.  According to SP, there's not a good Shorthorn out there except the one "I" own.  Whatever "you" have is terrible.  Has there ever been a thread on SP trashing an Angus bull?  Hereford?  Simmental?  If people would spend more time promoting the absolutely incredible data from the latest MARC research instead of trashing each other, we'd be much better off.  Shorthorns were #1 in just about every performance and carcass trait compared to Angus, Red Angus, Hereford, Char., etc.  Would it be so difficult to get the word out on that instead of how terrible everybody else's cattle are and how stupid they are for raising them?

Offline E6 Durhams

  • County Champion Poster
  • *****
  • Posts: 2046
  • Karma 175
  • Brock Eagon 740-815-4145
    • View Profile
Re: Top 5 thickest shorthorn bulls available.
« Reply #33 on: February 01, 2019, 09:26:27 AM »
I certainly didnt want this result. Ive been busy plowing snow and preparing to move. I also raise hogs and I may not raise national champions. I do raise hogs that chefs buy. Hogs have paid for my cows. I made my own pig. Just as I intend to make my own cows. Cattle just take forever.

I was hoping to just brainstorm. Not be talked down to by a racist old bitter man. I apologize for the drama. It wasnt my intention. I agree with oak view on promoting the data. I dont think there are bulls in existence yet for what I have in my mind. I had an idea for a pig and I made it. I took several different breeds. Line bred the good ones and made an excellent hog. 11 piglets per litter. Sows dont need heat lamps or farrowing pens. They go out to the woods and farrow alone and return when they are ready. Fat hogs hit 275-300 at six months. Excellent carcass too. I had to make that hog. Just as I want to make a better shorthorn.

That was the whole reason for my post.
« Last Edit: February 01, 2019, 09:27:44 AM by E6 Durhams »
Cleveland Browns...... super bowl champs 2019. Heard it here first. And charcuterie is the next hot food trend with the hipsters.

Offline oakview

  • County Champion Poster
  • *****
  • Posts: 1212
  • Karma 70
    • View Profile
Re: Top 5 thickest shorthorn bulls available.
« Reply #34 on: February 01, 2019, 09:46:39 AM »
That's what this website should be for.  Getting useful information to help us reach the goals we want to reach.  More power to you.  I used to raise hogs, too.  We had a rotation of Hamps, Yorks, and Durocs.  Seemed to work pretty good with the long ago traits of each complimenting the other.  By the way, I don't have hogs any more and I don't miss them.  They can quickly turn a normal, sane human being into a raving lunatic.

Forgot to mention, I really like that Saskvalley Imperative bull.  We should be able to move a truckload of bulls like him.

Offline -XBAR-

  • State Champion Poster
  • ******
  • Posts: 3330
  • Karma 156
  • SASKVALLEY ALAMO 8A
    • View Profile
Re: Top 5 thickest shorthorn bulls available.
« Reply #35 on: February 01, 2019, 09:59:05 AM »
Yet another example of why so many people have quit participating on SP, as if we needed another one.  A guy asks a simple question, several of us offered our opinions that we were asked for, and the thread turns into a pissing match.  It's no wonder it's hard to sell Shorthorns.  According to SP, there's not a good Shorthorn out there except the one "I" own.  Whatever "you" have is terrible.  Has there ever been a thread on SP trashing an Angus bull?  Hereford?  Simmental?  If people would spend more time promoting the absolutely incredible data from the latest MARC research instead of trashing each other, we'd be much better off.  Shorthorns were #1 in just about every performance and carcass trait compared to Angus, Red Angus, Hereford, Char., etc.  Would it be so difficult to get the word out on that instead of how terrible everybody else's cattle are and how stupid they are for raising them?

 I think its important to accurately describe the cattle being spoken about.    There are a lot of Shorthorn cattle that the breed would be better off if they were to have their head cut off tomorrow.  I mean a very large number who have a trait that,  regardless how good they are otherwise , should completely exclude them from consideration in any beef production dynamic.   Birth weights, mature cow size, lack of sexual dimorphism, etc.   So long as these types continue to be sugarcoated and not singled out, it will be challenging to ever solidify a publicly recognized distinction between these types and those you referenced that excelled in the Marc research.   Its hard to sell Shorthorns because unfortunately these types that need their head cut off are the majority and are thus the public perception of what the breed as a whole has to offer.   Its as unfortunate as it gets. 
-SASKVALLEY EDITOR-    -XBAR EMPIRE-    -LEVELDALE GENESIS-

Online mark tenenbaum

  • State Champion Poster
  • ******
  • Posts: 4864
  • Karma 134
    • View Profile
Re: Top 5 thickest shorthorn bulls available.
« Reply #36 on: February 01, 2019, 10:00:30 AM »
Terrible picture at badger 2 months ago-Is one was reserve to a full grown pud-shes full sib to the creole that won all over last year-second blue -NO SHE DOESNT NORMALLY STAND LIKE THAThad 2 full sib steers sell in Iowa-at a sale in November with other breeds for 6600-and 14000 The third Crimson tide is a really correct sound heifer to be that thick-AGAIN bad picture-again thats what this thread is about-the white heifer DUH is last-PS-she was sold to Inndiana to people that SHOW CATTLE AND WIN-(the androgenenous unthick cliches have me laughing really Ive been online and seen your cattle-if you arent looking for actual advice from real time cattle that exist on a basic farm-to make them "wider"- these cattle MILK-they arent skinny and hardoing they raise and wean heavy calves that are stout-that do not go to the sale barn-that people want to buy THEY ARE DIFFERENT IN TYPE NOW-LETS SEE YOURS) The white hiefer was sold for 14000-at 6 months-Who the f#%&()K cares about the price-his wife came down with cancer that was that. All 4 of these calves are from the same 3 year old cow pictured with her 1st daughter-at the Jr Nationals Optical illusion they are both the same size-OH SEE THE SHORTHORN STEER COUNTERPART BESIDE THEM? Hes part of the clan too-AND HE AINT NO PUD Hes an April there at the junior Nationals-is a full dib to the three year old cow So-theres a 3 year old cow-that has already produced 4 really good matings out of entirely different breeds of bulls and a very good first calf hirfer (her first calf) standing next to her-(Ive got other pictures that really show them but am not going to waste my time) I want to see the cattle you have produced that address this post-to the letter of the " kids" request since he doesnt want to answer anyone"s input Maybe its a ***** wussy game to draw some llrgit cattle on that arent like his so he can poo poo them in comparison to so called "performance cattle"-Ive seen alot of interesting cattle at Promised Land-and some of the shorthorn by fullbloods would really hit with performance bred cattle-so would his blue crosses- I think that the bull he had out of K KIM Gold Version: PLCC GOLDSTANDARD that was shown at the Montana big show was really good-being appendix out of a cool 20 20 Vision x range cow made him all the more cool to me-thats another example of the type that will change them in alot of ways-especially  when it comes to width from behind  and since his sire was a very good performance deal-hes yet another point you are missing-prove me wrong  with pictures of yours from behind Yes I realize beauty is in the eye of the beholder-and no animal is perfect but these cattle are NOTHING like yours so trying to equate them to that vision aint gonna stand on this thread-even if it is a petty game. And your observations dont mean sh*&&$T until you back them up with solid examples of your cattle that fit this thread(pop) O0

This is one of your more bizarre post I've ever seen.  If you'll go back and READ my initial post on this page, you'll see how strange and unwarranted most of your comments here are:

Im with you in that Id certainly like to add some thickness to my cowherd in general...

Equally bizarre is how you keep referring to the OP as a kid.  You must have also missed:
Im glad you started this post.  When you asked me the other night, I was honestly stumped.

Do you really think I spend my evening talking to kids? The OP is a 40+ yr old man you're talking about. 

I'm not sure what it is "I'm to prove you wrong about?"  Again another bizarro comment.  Maybe the show steer type females address the OP's question but I find that, like I said previously, unfortunate, that these types are our only option??

Imagine if the question were about Angus bulls to add thickness-- Bulls that would come to my mind would be those like Ohlde's or one like Coleman Charlo. Bulls that are of the TYPE that cattleman still value. You know, bulls that look like male powerlifters as opposed to your go to: the butch dyke softball looking types.  But no -- not in Shorthorns.  In Shorthorns, if you want to thicken: as in develop more of a beef phenotype less dairy- you have the clubby show steer types and that's it? What a joke.  Surely this isn't so./// No it it is not-used Irish bulls like Guiness and Dividend-a fullblood Maine called Vistas Sentra-Enticerx Mark 4-Mad Max but he was pretty big-The bull you are looking for with that type of thickness does not exist in the breed with the kind of pedigrees you are using;and will not suddenly appear in theory or with absolute purity and years of perfect EPDS-The fresh air bull was not really clubby-and was over 2400 pounds mature-Your definition of clubby includes anything that isnt pedestrian conventional breeding limited to your type of  cattle  been there-dont need  to hear about it again You should stay inside the box and compound what you have and redefine width and thick to make em thick at least in your mind-Or the best thing to make them look like that Angus is use one like him,and create mongrels that are twice as stout as what you have now-he reminds me of the ones I see from Canada like cowboy or the soo line cattle and a possible type to use Re the thread about frail Angus heifers Or use a fullblood maine-they work great on dual looking cows-as long as they arent pencil gutted. Thats where Mark 4 and alot of the oldtime thick cows came from Before your time even though in the past you used some of the same blood-evena great grandson of Deertrail Awesome if Im not mistaken- O0

Offline SEA

  • County Champion Poster
  • *****
  • Posts: 703
  • Karma 14
    • View Profile
Re: Top 5 thickest shorthorn bulls available.
« Reply #37 on: February 01, 2019, 10:35:21 AM »
JASON,  THIS POST/THREAD HAS GOTTEN OUT OF HAND.  WOULD YOU PLEASE CONSIDER REMOVING IT?  THANK YOU!

Offline -XBAR-

  • State Champion Poster
  • ******
  • Posts: 3330
  • Karma 156
  • SASKVALLEY ALAMO 8A
    • View Profile
Re: Top 5 thickest shorthorn bulls available.
« Reply #38 on: February 01, 2019, 11:15:35 AM »
JASON,  THIS POST/THREAD HAS GOTTEN OUT OF HAND.  WOULD YOU PLEASE CONSIDER REMOVING IT?  THANK YOU!

Jason this is the third post SEA has made that lacked any relevancy whatsoever to the discussion at hand.  Please have a talk with her.

(Obviously this is a joke as I have no interest in censoring anyone elses opinions) Unlike mother hen above.
-SASKVALLEY EDITOR-    -XBAR EMPIRE-    -LEVELDALE GENESIS-

Online mark tenenbaum

  • State Champion Poster
  • ******
  • Posts: 4864
  • Karma 134
    • View Profile
Re: Top 5 thickest shorthorn bulls available.
« Reply #39 on: February 01, 2019, 11:24:41 AM »
Discussion? Relevent? SEA has a right to ad any opinion just like anyone else without condecending comments-XLAX Bitter? Racist? Drunk? What we really need is JITs take on this thread LOl O0
« Last Edit: February 01, 2019, 11:28:58 AM by mark tenenbaum »

Offline -XBAR-

  • State Champion Poster
  • ******
  • Posts: 3330
  • Karma 156
  • SASKVALLEY ALAMO 8A
    • View Profile
Re: Top 5 thickest shorthorn bulls available.
« Reply #40 on: February 01, 2019, 11:37:13 AM »
Reading comprehension isnt your strong suit eh? My prior post had 3 sentences.  Its as if you only read two, hit the bottle (again,) and then went back to typing.  Do yourself a favor and read posts more thoroughly- and in their entirety.  Itll save you from a lot of confusion going forward.
-SASKVALLEY EDITOR-    -XBAR EMPIRE-    -LEVELDALE GENESIS-

Online mark tenenbaum

  • State Champion Poster
  • ******
  • Posts: 4864
  • Karma 134
    • View Profile
Re: Top 5 thickest shorthorn bulls available.
« Reply #41 on: February 01, 2019, 11:46:20 AM »
Name the ones I have talked about that fizzeled and name the Shorthorn bulls you have been involved with that had ANY impact on the breed-hate to talk National or Louisville  champions Ive only been involved with 6 of those and bring your texas cattle up to southern kansas where my cows are in august-its hotter-no on second thought bring them now when its ten below zero-just dont get laughed out of the show ring-we do that on a national level along with weighing every calf and having real EPDS on the cattle-we have black crosses-heavens dont let friends cross breed or use cross bred bulls-we have friends across alot of breeds-we like farmers in general and grew up on a handshake-you clearly come from another generation. I suggest you take all the backtracking adjectives that you have just used to reinvent your thread in the last minute-and commit them to the algorthym down below-or basically state in your thread that you do not want anything but Angus and Native Shorthorn answers to your question or only those bloodlines specific to your interest and all others are unworthy of your consideration- O0

Go home dude. Youre drunk. Funny Ive never read once where you alone did anything. Seems to me you pay people to raise your cattle and clip your calves. Then you show up at the show like some kingpin. I tried to be nice earlier. I liked the Compton Fresh Air bull. Even sent his picture in a private group text. But since I didnt kiss the ring on this public forum Im now just being a punk. Ok. I dont care if I ever raise a national champ show bull. I sure as hell wont pay somebody to raise my cattle either. Its bedn below zero here for two days. Cows here get fed every other day. They dont get any special care. I can promise you its colder here in Ohio than Kansas!//// Have to check the weather map-but I was referring to Texas in the tread anyway
« Last Edit: February 01, 2019, 11:47:35 AM by mark tenenbaum »

Online mark tenenbaum

  • State Champion Poster
  • ******
  • Posts: 4864
  • Karma 134
    • View Profile
Re: Top 5 thickest shorthorn bulls available.
« Reply #42 on: February 01, 2019, 11:52:15 AM »
Reading comprehension isnt your strong suit eh? My prior post had 3 sentences.  Its as if you only read two, hit the bottle (again,) and then went back to typing.  Do yourself a favor and read posts more thoroughly- and in their entirety.  Itll save you from a lot of confusion going forward.
/// I must be-is it XLAX or EXLAX-my spelling must be bad too-maybe you were just showing  a humorous side calling a lady mother hen-In this modern world a woman's place must still be in the home O0

Offline -XBAR-

  • State Champion Poster
  • ******
  • Posts: 3330
  • Karma 156
  • SASKVALLEY ALAMO 8A
    • View Profile
Re: Top 5 thickest shorthorn bulls available.
« Reply #43 on: February 01, 2019, 11:58:40 AM »
Mother hen: a person who sees to the needs of others, especially in an interfering way.
-SASKVALLEY EDITOR-    -XBAR EMPIRE-    -LEVELDALE GENESIS-

Offline Dale

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 358
  • Karma 16
    • View Profile
Re: Top 5 thickest shorthorn bulls available.
« Reply #44 on: February 01, 2019, 01:07:04 PM »
Back to topic.  I have not seen him, but would RB Eagle 255 be one to consider?  With Real Silver both top and bottom of his pedigree, his thickness is not an accident.  255's sire, Eagle 148, sure sired plenty of muscle.  If JSF used 255, he is functional, and might save you time in the long run compared to using a sire not triple clean or one that is less sound. 

"Breeding cattle takes a lifetime," as a bull customer purebred breeder once said.  One master breeder said that it takes 5 or 6 generations to breed out unsoundness.  Sound ones are easier to look at.

 

Related Topics

  Subject / Started by Replies Last post
0 Replies
2442 Views
Last post January 22, 2009, 05:05:33 PM
by TMJ Show Cattle
7 Replies
3104 Views
Last post August 21, 2010, 08:59:06 AM
by knabe
38 Replies
14685 Views
Last post July 19, 2012, 07:11:07 PM
by aj
0 Replies
299 Views
Last post June 02, 2014, 01:00:16 AM
by admin
0 Replies
298 Views
Last post July 07, 2017, 07:00:15 PM
by admin

Powered by EzPortal