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Re: Top 5 thickest shorthorn bulls available.
« Reply #45 on: February 01, 2019, 01:33:03 PM »
"Breeding cattle takes a lifetime," as a bull customer purebred breeder once said.  One master breeder said that it takes 5 or 6 generations to breed out unsoundness.  Sound ones are easier to look at.
I think this this rates as one of those 'nuggets' we should all remember!

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« Reply #46 on: February 01, 2019, 01:55:36 PM »
I was at Denver in 2004 when they had him there and I was dragging people over to look at him-Jungels never said a word-he was young then and had his hat pulled over his eyes probably thought I was a doofus YEA YEA he was forth in my class, Bloodstone was second I won and had the nt. spring calf champ-my bull was a big pet for an Angus family but just didnt knick with horns-If i could fault the Eagle bull as a show bull he did have some curvature in his spine but I really liked him. Of course it doesnt matter what you say-because his BW EPDS are above average-Even tho he will make 2 of alot of bulls.So now that this thread has had some extended modifications of required responses:My choice for; (a THICK BUTTED, STOUT, MANY GENERATIONS  DOCUMENTED. PROBABLY LOWEST BW EPD CE BULL LISTED, WITH GOOD NUMBERS IN ALMOST EVERY CATEGORY )  IS-DING DING DING-Homeplace HOT COMMODITY-See the thread on him here on page 2 for pics friends and neighbors  http://www.steerplanet.com/bb/the-big-show/homeplace-hot-commoity-1625-this-is-another-one-that-needs-collected/. I also maintain that the Fresh Air bull is another very useful bull. He has been very similar in BWs and much higher in real grow than his EPDS predict.-So-if I get a heifer by Fresh Air-she gets bred to Dales bull-Two distinctly different recent pedigrees that merge closer to each other.Hotcommdity: a little further back : Fresh Air through his sire Creole; and grandsire-Proud Jazz. They are both  examples of how you do what the original thread here asked for and ;I dont see: for my use, 2 bulls that are more complimentary-Hot Commodity is more moderate,maybe a little shorter and less extreme-but has a very nice profile looks very sound smooth shouldered ,real deep ribbed,and has-THE KIND OF BUTT I WANT from his Wildside dam Fresh Air is a bigger rugged made longer bodied bull,and heavier boned bull who is a good calver-very sound,makes show heifers that make cows-and very powerfull in his top-butt, lower 1/3 and general muscle pattern-BOTH bulls also have the kind of performance-or old blood cattle behind them that have worked for 30 years. If you look at both pedigrees and remember the RodeoxEnticer cattle like creole-Byland Mission, Keith Lauer bulls etc-they are all in-and they are the ones that unilaterally were reasonable calving and heavily documented . Not to mention having some of the highest yield grades on the ORIGINAL rounds of the Marc study of the late 80s early nineties .DOC on here has another Hot Commodity-that sires some nice calves(also pictured) and would fit this thread as well JMO- O0
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Re: Top 5 thickest shorthorn bulls available.
« Reply #47 on: February 01, 2019, 02:16:11 PM »
"Breeding cattle takes a lifetime," as a bull customer purebred breeder once said.  One master breeder said that it takes 5 or 6 generations to breed out unsoundness.  Sound ones are easier to look at.
I think this this rates as one of those 'nuggets' we should all remember!   (clapping) (clapping) (thumbsup) <beer> O0

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Re: Top 5 thickest shorthorn bulls available.
« Reply #48 on: February 01, 2019, 02:28:23 PM »
I guess I should of specified earlier but purple banners are useless for this thread. Im talking  red meat. More retail product. My guest isnt to make a national champ.  My goal is to create a shorthorn that can be sold as premium beef. To promote the breed on its merits. Top one being the eating experience. As a small producer the first way out of business is to sell mediocre meat to people. If its not excellent they wont return. Same needs to be thought of with the breed. It will take time. I can make 15-20 years worth of cattle breeding progress in 3-5 years with hogs. I know what I want to do will take a very long time. If shorthorns are to ever get rid of their Cleveland Browns reputation of the cattle world we have to start somewhere. Find the chink in the armor of the angus breed and exploit it.

Oakview, my hogs are 75% heritage breeds with a few shots of high growth Duroc. Ive used Large Black for frame, Old spot, Red Wattle, and the last few years Mangalitsa. My hogs are trained to hot wire and they spend the majority of time outside. I find hogs kept in pens become restless and bored and then destructive and mean. I have a spring here at the farm that the hogs use all year round. I never have to water them. I just feed some grain every day and put out some round bales of hay. The only part thats tricky is weaning time. The sows dont like it and they let you know it.

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Cleveland Browns...... super bowl champs 2019. Heard it here first. And charcuterie is the next hot food trend with the hipsters.

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Re: Top 5 thickest shorthorn bulls available.
« Reply #49 on: February 01, 2019, 04:01:22 PM »
If you looking for red meat then imperative is probably as good a choice as anything going today. Wises have some pretty good data on how his calves preform.

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Re: Top 5 thickest shorthorn bulls available.
« Reply #50 on: February 01, 2019, 05:09:44 PM »
Thought I would post a bull from the UK. Bred by the Upsall herd in England and bought by Fearn Farm in Scotland. Dakota Of Upsall.

http://abri.une.edu.au/online/cgi-bin/i4.dll?1=3E373E3D&2=232F5F&3=56&5=2B3C2B3C3A&6=275C5C265921252421&9=5C5C5E5E

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=794176747365536&id=464311627018718&_rdr

The Facebook video is worth a watch. I know he's not available to North America, but he is thick, has a lot of natural muscle, is considered easy calving and has some of the best figures in the breed. Sadly he's gone now, but he has left a son, Fearn Godfather, an impressive bull also, who Fearn Farm recently bought him back for 20,000.
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Re: Top 5 thickest shorthorn bulls available.
« Reply #51 on: February 01, 2019, 05:16:35 PM »
The bull I have used for a number of years to attempt to add thickness is The Grove Kookaburra and he looks to be doing a good job for some in Canada. Haven't seen the Muridale bulls in another post from behind but they sure look good from a profile photo.

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Re: Top 5 thickest shorthorn bulls available.
« Reply #52 on: February 01, 2019, 05:53:29 PM »
This is one of our thickest bulls we have raised Muridale Matt 37Y. He is Myostatin free.
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Re: Top 5 thickest shorthorn bulls available.
« Reply #53 on: February 01, 2019, 06:09:15 PM »
This is one of our thickest bulls we have raised Muridale Matt 37Y. He is Myostatin free.
Hard to imagine any more meat put on that frame

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Re: Top 5 thickest shorthorn bulls available.
« Reply #54 on: February 01, 2019, 06:11:42 PM »
The bull I have used for a number of years to attempt to add thickness is The Grove Kookaburra and he looks to be doing a good job for some in Canada. Haven't seen the Muridale bulls in another post from behind but they sure look good from a profile photo.

I used a son of his that Diamond raised and am pretty impressed with one of his calves in the yearling pen. He always had a big top, but he is really putting on the rear.

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Re: Top 5 thickest shorthorn bulls available.
« Reply #55 on: February 01, 2019, 06:45:06 PM »
This is one of our thickest bulls we have raised Muridale Matt 37Y. He is Myostatin free.
//// Any pictures of female progeny? hes way unique thats for sure O0

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Re: Top 5 thickest shorthorn bulls available.
« Reply #56 on: February 01, 2019, 06:55:38 PM »
Looks impressive!   However,  the same muscle mass on a Frame Score 7 and a Frame Score 5 will look wildly different.    What is his Frame Score?

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Re: Top 5 thickest shorthorn bulls available.
« Reply #57 on: February 01, 2019, 06:59:24 PM »
If his legs were twice as long Hed still look freaky-like to see him from behind O0

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Re: Top 5 thickest shorthorn bulls available.
« Reply #58 on: February 01, 2019, 07:20:49 PM »
I found a picture of a Matt 2 yr old daughter. The bottom picture is Matts dam.
I never measured him but I would guess he would be a frame 6
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Re: Top 5 thickest shorthorn bulls available.
« Reply #59 on: February 01, 2019, 07:27:06 PM »
Nice looking females!

 

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