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Woodland Farms Show Cattl

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I saw someone on here post that they had owned trump three which reminded me, I have 8 straws of him in the tank and was wondering if he works as well as trump? Or how they are even related? That may sound dumb but I bought the semen from someone who was cleaning his tank andi can't find any info on him. Maybe it's not even the same bull  (lol)
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I had a few calves out of Trump III several years ago.  They were all red, just like him, but a little bigger framed than the Trump calves I've had.  I think he'd still work okay on the right cows.
 

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I'm the one who owned Trump Three. Like Lonnie said he will increase the chances of getting more red ones, the dtrs make some really good cows, and I never had any problems at all calving. You have a very good chance of getting a polled calf also. The gentleman who bought him originally from Cates even bred some Holsteins to him for his neighbor and never had a horned calf. I've still have some semen and wouldn't be afraid of using it.
 

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Doc said:
I'm the one who owned Trump Three. Like Lonnie said he will increase the chances of getting more red ones, the dtrs make some really good cows, and I never had any problems at all calving. You have a very good chance of getting a polled calf also. The gentleman who bought him originally from Cates even bred some Holsteins to him for his neighbor and never had a horned calf. I've still have some semen and wouldn't be afraid of using it.
Thanks for the info! And the picture! I think I'm gonna use him on a couple cows this year and see how it goes! Do his cows perform?

 

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-XBAR- said:
Woodland Farms said:
So he would work good on some small framed really fleshy cows? Anyone have a picture of him? Never could find one

yup, he'll take the flesh right out of em

Oh yeah. That's right. I sold you a bunch of semen to use on your cows, so you know 1st hand what he will do.
 

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Doc said:
-XBAR- said:
Woodland Farms said:
So he would work good on some small framed really fleshy cows? Anyone have a picture of him? Never could find one

yup, he'll take the flesh right out of em

Oh yeah. That's right. I sold you a bunch of semen to use on your cows, so you know 1st hand what he will do.
Are you suggesting the bull will add capacity and fleshing ability? 
 

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-XBAR- said:
Doc said:
-XBAR- said:
Woodland Farms said:
So he would work good on some small framed really fleshy cows? Anyone have a picture of him? Never could find one

yup, he'll take the flesh right out of em

Oh yeah. That's right. I sold you a bunch of semen to use on your cows, so you know 1st hand what he will do.
Are you suggesting the bull will add capacity and fleshing ability? 
I haven't seen him or his calves, but I'm sure he added fleshing to some calves...he was used on holsteins  ;D
 

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-XBAR- said:
Woodland Farms said:
So he would work good on some small framed really fleshy cows? Anyone have a picture of him? Never could find one

yup, he'll take the flesh right out of em

So you just bash everything on here that isn't yours? I'm sorry but I wouldn't admit to even owning the cow that you had as your avatar just a week or two ago. I think you should evaluate your own program before bad mouthing everyone else's.

And trump himself made numerous of the best cattle in the breed! This bull looks like a red version of him... So not sure why he would be so bad?
 

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Woodland Farms said:
-XBAR- said:
Woodland Farms said:
So he would work good on some small framed really fleshy cows? Anyone have a picture of him? Never could find one

yup, he'll take the flesh right out of em

So you just bash everything on here that isn't yours? I'm sorry but I wouldn't admit to even owning the cow that you had as your avatar just a week or two ago. I think you should evaluate your own program before bad mouthing everyone else's.

And trump himself made numerous of the best cattle in the breed! This bull looks like a red version of him... So not sure why he would be so bad?

(lol)

When I evaluate cattle in terms of functional beef cattle characteristics and you evaluate cattle in terms of 'pretty', you can see how our definition of 'best' differs. 

And as far as my pic, that's an Ash Valley heifer that calved unassisted to JR Drover at 23 months.  Let's see that said of Trump influenced heifer.
 

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Lol I hate to break it to you, but Trump and Double Stuff helped turn the shorthorn industry around in the late 90's when nobody wanted them. Go ahead and argue but its pretty much true. Granted Double Stuff was around when TH started its flurry in the show cattle, but a lot of the shorthorns today o back to double stuff and trump. If you want to talk about their milking ability please do, because then we can get into the whole ordeal of shorthorns as commerical cattle compared to every other breed, but I would rather not. Few bulls can impact a breed for decades. EXT did it in the angus along with DHD 6807. Meyer 734 in the simmys. HEAT SEEKER and WHO made WHO in the clubbies. and when people say shorthorns, by god most people think TRUMP. So XBAR bash him all you want or Trump 3 or TRUMP 10000000000000000000 for that matter. But just remember, he changed the shorthorn breed for decades to come and will go down as an all time great. In your Sake, jeasously get you no where. Soget off of your high horse and dont bash trump 3 (especially when you never bred to him). Stick to the cattle you know, talk about them, and we will listen and let you educate us on your findings, but to sit there bash a bull or bloodline that A) you never bred to or B) changed the breed in a positive way for many years truely makes your opinion extremely less credible to many readers.  (pop)
 

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-XBAR- said:
Woodland Farms said:
-XBAR- said:
Woodland Farms said:
So he would work good on some small framed really fleshy cows? Anyone have a picture of him? Never could find one

yup, he'll take the flesh right out of em

So you just bash everything on here that isn't yours? I'm sorry but I wouldn't admit to even owning the cow that you had as your avatar just a week or two ago. I think you should evaluate your own program before bad mouthing everyone else's.

And trump himself made numerous of the best cattle in the breed! This bull looks like a red version of him... So not sure why he would be so bad?

(lol)

When I evaluate cattle in terms of functional beef cattle characteristics and you evaluate cattle in terms of 'pretty', you can see how our definition of 'best' differs.  

And as far as my pic, that's an Ash Valley heifer that calved unassisted to JR Drover at 23 months.  Let's see that said of Trump influenced heifer.

So that's something you have... And you have the guts to make a comment about a bulls fleshing ability?! I am at a loss for words... She looked like death combed over in that picture...
 

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DiamondCattleCo said:
Lol I hate to break it to you, but Trump and Double Stuff helped turn the shorthorn industry around in the late 90's when nobody wanted them. Go ahead and argue but its pretty much true. Granted Double Stuff was around when TH started its flurry in the show cattle, but a lot of the shorthorns today o back to double stuff and trump. If you want to talk about their milking ability please do, because then we can get into the whole ordeal of shorthorns as commerical cattle compared to every other breed, but I would rather not. Few bulls can impact a breed for decades. EXT did it in the angus along with DHD 6807. Meyer 734 in the simmys. HEAT SEEKER and WHO made WHO in the clubbies. and when people say shorthorns, by god most people think TRUMP. So XBAR bash him all you want or Trump 3 or TRUMP 10000000000000000000 for that matter. But just remember, he changed the shorthorn breed for decades to come and will go down as an all time great. In your Sake, jeasously get you no where. Soget off of your high horse and dont bash trump 3 (especially when you never bred to him). Stick to the cattle you know, talk about them, and we will listen and let you educate us on your findings, but to sit there bash a bull or bloodline that A) you never bred to or B) changed the breed in a positive way for many years truely makes your opinion extremely less credible to many readers.  (pop)
<beer> and can I get an amen to that?
 

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-XBAR- said:
Woodland Farms said:
-XBAR- said:
Woodland Farms said:
So he would work good on some small framed really fleshy cows? Anyone have a picture of him? Never could find one

yup, he'll take the flesh right out of em

So you just bash everything on here that isn't yours? I'm sorry but I wouldn't admit to even owning the cow that you had as your avatar just a week or two ago. I think you should evaluate your own program before bad mouthing everyone else's.

And trump himself made numerous of the best cattle in the breed! This bull looks like a red version of him... So not sure why he would be so bad?

(lol)

When I evaluate cattle in terms of functional beef cattle characteristics and you evaluate cattle in terms of 'pretty', you can see how our definition of 'best' differs.  

And as far as my pic, that's an Ash Valley heifer that calved unassisted to JR Drover at 23 months.  Let's see that said of Trump influenced heifer.

Pretty? I'm sorry but by saying he was one of the best, I'm looking at how influential he was in the breed. Take a look at every registration you have with the shorthorns. I damn well bet that there is more than one that has trump in the pedigree even if you have to go back a couple generations. I don't have a cow/heifer on the place that doesn't lay down and have a calf for me by there 2 year mark. And I have enough of them with trump in their background. So I guess by your definition of functional, all of my cattle calve unassisted, stay fat on primarily grass and grass hay, have calves EVERY spring. I guess the only difference between mine and yours is that mine are "pretty" and since I'm guessing you don't sell cattle for show I probably make a hell of a lot more money at it. I know that everybody has there own segment of the beef industry, but come on, don't be bashing everybody else's business just because that's not what you are into. I would be more than happy to get on here and bash every post you put up if you'd like.
 

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Woodland, first and foremost - if your gonna advertise your website, you might want to make a point to publish it first.  Secondly, 'influential' doesn't necessarily carry a positive connotation...and in the case it definitely doesn't.   Like I said, only 2 hd have trump influence: PRC Shadow and PRC Foxy Daisy 09.  I didn't bash any cattle.  I clearly stated that this bull will decrease the fleshing ability in cattle.  If you can't form the same conclusion based off the bull's phenotype then you're not half the cattlemen you think you are.  
 

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Like so many other things, easy fleshing can be in the eyes of the beholder.  What is easy fleshing enough for one person might not be for someone else.  For example, a year or two ago, I saw an advertisement from one of the so-called grass based, easy fleshing, survive on their own herds.  The cows they had pictured were thinner than any Trump based cow I've had on the place.  Mine get grass, hay, and corn stalk bales, by the way.  The fall calvers are getting only corn stalk bales, calves have been weaned, and protein blocks.  The spring calvers are getting hay and blocks.  I do give the cows close to calving a little grain as I seem to have it in my head that they will be more likely to calve in the day time.  The cows I have work for me the way I handle them, but then, they haven't been full fed on a show ration for a year and a half and then turned out cold turkey into the stalk field.  If the man says his Trump III cattle were easy fleshing enough for him, then I believe him because he's happy.  If someone else wants a fatter cow, great, if that's what he wants.  My personal experience, based on nearly 50 years of raising Shorthorns, is that the fatter cows usually don't raise the heavier calves.  They spend too much time feeding themselves and not their calf.  I like a cow that milks down a little because around here they bring in the most calf.  I'm not too picky.  I want a cow that stays in reasonably good shape, breeds back, brings in a heavy calf for 10 years, and looks good doing it.  Some are advocating a return to 60's genetics to "recapture" that great Shorthorn fleshing ability.  That's okay, but during the 60's and 70's, Shorthorns lost favor with feeders and packers because they were "too fat and had small ribeyes."  There were exceptions, of course, but that was the accepted rule of thumb.  Analyze data from some of those old genetics, when available.  Generally speaking, when compared to today's genetics, the old stuff tends to be fatter, have a smaller ribeye, and grow slower.  On the flip side, though, they appear to be easier fleshing and have more marbling.  There is a fine line between the two sets of genetics.  Our responsibility, as true cattle breeders, is to combine the genetics the best we can to benefit OUR herds and not complain when someone does something different than us.
 

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-XBAR- said:
Woodland, first and foremost - if your gonna advertise your website, you might want to make a point to publish it first.  Secondly, 'influential' doesn't necessarily carry a positive connotation...and in the case it definitely doesn't.   Like I said, only 2 hd have trump influence: PRC Shadow and PRC Foxy Daisy 09.  I didn't bash any cattle.  I clearly stated that this bull will decrease the fleshing ability in cattle.  If you can't form the same conclusion based off the bull's phenotype then you're not half the cattlemen you think you are.  

The website isn't advertised, it only on my profile. And I just took it down a few weeks ago because I am in the works of having a professional one done. As soon as its done ill email you the link so you can complain about that as well. And influential in this case did carry a positive atribute. Ask anyone that has a big name in this breed. I can't see where this bull will take all the fleshing ability off of a cow. From his picture he will probably not make them hog fat but that was never even mentioned. You are bashing this bull just the way you did with firewater. Give it a rest! We really don't all have to do things exactly like you! Maybe your not half the cattleman you think you are. And obviously you think very highly of yourself. I have my program headed in the direction I want it headed. There is always more to learn about cattle tho. Maybe you should think about that.
 

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