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« on: April 13, 2008, 11:05:00 AM »
I have read several posts about "your cows show raise a calf that weans at 60% of the cows weight". ( a 1200 pounf cow = a 700 lb calf) Are you usually making this? I'm not and wondered if my cows are "bad" or if it is a unrealistic goal.

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Re: weaning weight
« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2008, 11:07:51 AM »
Are you using an adjusted 205 day weaning weight?   You really need to because there are so many variables.  If you are weaning at 4 months, there is no way the calf is going to be 60% of the cow's weight, if you use actual weight.   
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« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2008, 11:32:51 AM »
Not very many people weigh there cows to start with. Then condition of cow would make a difference also(could make cows weight vary 200#'s). As Kanshow mentioned weaning date. I've seen guys wean 11 month calves off cows on corntalks before. I think the main thing we need to get away from the 1800# cow weaning that 600# calf anyway! Usually the cows are of later maturing type but they do have more salvage value.
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« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2008, 12:41:21 PM »
Yeah, you dont see too many of those 1800+ pound cows weaning off 1000-1200 lb calves.  That would be 60-70%.  The ones who own those big cows insist they are "efficient", but they have yet to proove it to me.  There are a lot of 1400lb cows that can wean off 800lb.
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Re: weaning weight
« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2008, 04:03:47 PM »
For me it's more about the percent of income that the cow produces not the percent of her body weight that she weans off. If she consistantly generates 3000 to 5000+ dollars a year for me I don't care what she weighs. Other than heifers, I doubt that I have a cow that weighs less than 1600#s in their working cloths. Everybody talks about deep ribbed cattle with a ton of guts and tremendous capacity but I haven't found many of those in a 12 to 13 hundred pound class. One of my doner cows is a 6.2 frame score cow that weighs in at a little over a ton in her working cloths. She has not had any grain since her show heifer days, but she has generated a little over $40,000 for us without any promotion to speak of. She is just the right size for me! RW
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Re: weaning weight
« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2008, 05:20:40 PM »
Your cows SHOULD wean off 60% of weight.  Doesn't mean you can't have a cow that makes you money that doesn't. Thats called "show cattle", or hair balls!! :)
I have 1100 to 1500 cows that will wean off 60%. But not show genetics, and for the most part, not purebred.
What bloodlines is your donor RW? I haven't seen that many RA that will weigh a ton at 6.2 frame!!!
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« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2008, 05:42:24 PM »
She is primarily Bodacious and Duke bred. Not much day light between the ground and her belly.
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« Reply #7 on: April 13, 2008, 07:11:50 PM »
Is she a reg purebred?? That is a very interesting pedigree! How old is she?
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« Reply #8 on: April 13, 2008, 07:22:13 PM »
Is she a reg purebred?? That is a very interesting pedigree! How old is she?

Ya - purebred - She is a 2002 model.
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« Reply #9 on: April 13, 2008, 07:38:46 PM »
Is her thickness and rib shape due to Bodacious or Duke....I am not familiar with the RA breed! Might be a good bloodline to cross with!
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« Reply #10 on: April 13, 2008, 07:46:01 PM »
I think it is a combination of the two genetic lines. Piepers have also had a lot of success with similar genetic combinations. Several of my show steer buddies want me to flush her clubbie but I don't want a bunch of heifers out of her and Heat Wave (or who ever) left around here after they pick through the steers and so far none have wanted to buy the whole flush and gamble on the outcome. Truthfully she is worth more to me dollar wise flushed straight RA anyway. RW
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Re: weaning weight
« Reply #11 on: April 13, 2008, 07:50:50 PM »
Have you considered flushing her to a clean shortie? With her rib and depth, that might have some real potential....
Might also consider Hannibal. What do you think of the "new" hot bulls Mulberry and High Capacity (I think from northern state?)?  have you flushed to either of them??  Thought they might be fun to cross with, but the one bull is from Canada and not sure if we can get him in the states.
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Re: weaning weight
« Reply #12 on: April 13, 2008, 08:02:47 PM »
Have you considered flushing her to a clean shortie? With her rib and depth, that might have some real potential....
Might also consider Hannibal. What do you think of the "new" hot bulls Mulberry and High Capacity (I think from northern state?)?  have you flushed to either of them??  Thought they might be fun to cross with, but the one bull is from Canada and not sure if we can get him in the states.

I will likely flush to Mulberry this time, I really like the looks of his calves that I am getting and have seen of others. I won't be using High Capacity (from UBAR in MT)- I've been around enough of them that were lacking in disposition qualities to use him. IMHO Mulberry will likely outproduce him in the long run for the type of cattle that I like. As far as the Short Horn flush - I might consider selling the flush to some one but I don't really need a bunch of half bloods here to keep seperate.
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Re: weaning weight
« Reply #13 on: April 13, 2008, 08:55:59 PM »
As far as the Short Horn flush - I might consider selling the flush to some one but I don't really need a bunch of half bloods here to keep seperate.

 This brings up a question I've had for a while. A bunch of the Shortie breeders seem to have jumped on this Durham Red program whole heartedly. The question I have is , What is the general concensus of RA breeders about this ? I mean we sure seem to be buying a lot of RA semen, bulls & cows. Do RA breeders see this as a great marketing opportunity to sell or are they reciprocating and buying some of our genetics? I mean I can just about count on one hand the number of Shorties sold to RA breeders , that I've heard about. I really would like to know? ;D
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« Reply #14 on: April 13, 2008, 09:10:16 PM »
I don't see many Purebred RA breeders going that direction. The major percentage of RA breeders are geared for producing bulls for the commercial cattle market. In comparison to our black hided cousins, we are a small (though rapidly growing) genetic pool. Interest in the RA cattle is at an all time high and truthfully until the supply outgrows the demand I don't think that there will be alot of breeders expanding into the Duram Red program. I know of a few that are trying a little, but they are really looking for show steers not bulls or females. Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't the Duram Red program started to make the S H cross cattle more commercialy accepted? I may be clear off base on that but someone explained that to me one time. What are your thoughts Doc?
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