This was one of the lead articles on yahoo this morning. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/animal_disease;_ylt=AhcaCanoR5In7Jq0GT_73EWs0NUE The thought of possibly having this plant in my back yard makes me very nervous. To me the potential risks out weigh the rewards. To me it would make more sense to put the lab in a urban setting instead of right in the middle of cattle country.
What do you guys think
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simtal
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why does it need to be moved?? To me, the current location of the facility is fine where it is.
cowz
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These developments are scary. Generally, the bureacrat in charge is long on ego and short on common sense. I work for the govt. I see it everyday! yikes!
shorthorns r us
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some politician probably stands to make money from the move. if there weren't financial benefits, why else would they spend 250k to get a 170k+benefits/year job? aside from the ego trip.
Jill
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I don't want that in Kansas!
knabe
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Also, there are financial concerns about operating from a location accessible only by ferry or helicopter.
compared with the cost consequences of an outbreak?
i'm not sure i take the white house's word on safety, after working in a couple of labs at level 3 and 4 and knowing the LACK of 100% compliance of ALL safety guidelines, especially with new personnel.
"Containment technology has improved dramatically since foot-and-mouth disease prohibitions were put in place in 1948," Homeland Security spokeswoman Amy Kudwa said.
but enough to equal containment at current facility?
it's amazing, ted stevens from alaska and his daughter can get a bridge to nowhere financed to property they own on an island that would be cheaper to purchase everyone on the island a plane, and then when it gets "defunded" they go ahead and give the money to alaska anyway to be spent somewhere else.
believe me, i don't trust republicans either to be able to get their wallets around owning livestock next to this facility.
personally, i'd rather have nuclear waste in my backyard than this.
The Homeland Security Department is convinced it can safely operate the lab on the mainland, saying containment procedures at high-security labs have improved. they can't control either border or screen people for antibiotic resistant bacteria, or for middle easterners posing as latino's and they outsource passports without enough safety. amazing they expect to control a bacteria, when they can't control the border.
A simulated outbreak of the disease — part of an earlier U.S. government exercise called "Crimson Sky" — ended with fictional riots in the streets after the simulation's National Guardsmen were ordered to kill tens of millions of farm animals, so many that troops ran out of bullets. In the exercise, the government said it would have been forced to dig a ditch in Kansas 25 miles long to bury carcasses. In the simulation, protests broke out in some cities amid food shortages.
what was the cost of this putative "attack" and it's "financial concerns"
why is the bush administration even involved in the location of this facility? it seems a little micromanagement to me, and the "urgency" a little supsect.
why not get rid of earmarks and pork instead? save a whole lot more money.
compared with the cost consequences of an outbreak?
i'm not sure i take the white house's word on safety, after working in a couple of labs at level 3 and 4 and knowing the LACK of 100% compliance of ALL safety guidelines, especially with new personnel.
"Containment technology has improved dramatically since foot-and-mouth disease prohibitions were put in place in 1948," Homeland Security spokeswoman Amy Kudwa said.
but enough to equal containment at current facility?
it's amazing, ted stevens from alaska and his daughter can get a bridge to nowhere financed to property they own on an island that would be cheaper to purchase everyone on the island a plane, and then when it gets "defunded" they go ahead and give the money to alaska anyway to be spent somewhere else.
believe me, i don't trust republicans either to be able to get their wallets around owning livestock next to this facility.
personally, i'd rather have nuclear waste in my backyard than this.
The Homeland Security Department is convinced it can safely operate the lab on the mainland, saying containment procedures at high-security labs have improved. they can't control either border or screen people for antibiotic resistant bacteria, or for middle easterners posing as latino's and they outsource passports without enough safety. amazing they expect to control a bacteria, when they can't control the border.
A simulated outbreak of the disease — part of an earlier U.S. government exercise called "Crimson Sky" — ended with fictional riots in the streets after the simulation's National Guardsmen were ordered to kill tens of millions of farm animals, so many that troops ran out of bullets. In the exercise, the government said it would have been forced to dig a ditch in Kansas 25 miles long to bury carcasses. In the simulation, protests broke out in some cities amid food shortages.
what was the cost of this putative "attack" and it's "financial concerns"
why is the bush administration even involved in the location of this facility? it seems a little micromanagement to me, and the "urgency" a little supsect.
why not get rid of earmarks and pork instead? save a whole lot more money.
shorthorns r us
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look what happened in england a while back. didn't that come from a lab.
SWMO
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Somebody stands to benefit in a huge financial way. Why else would they risk our entire livestock production infrastructure? This stinks highly of politics rather than economics.
Once again, I contend that our ability to feed ourselves should be one of our main National Security issues. If we are unable to feed ourselves we are vulnerable economically and socially. JMO
Once again, I contend that our ability to feed ourselves should be one of our main National Security issues. If we are unable to feed ourselves we are vulnerable economically and socially. JMO
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Jill said:
I'm your neighbor one state away and I dont want it in Kansas either. That island off the coast of the UK is fine with me!
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knabe
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we ARE already unable to feed ourselves, at least from a macro perspective as we now import more food dollars i think, than we export. these numbers are probably misleading though. i'm still miffed why we need to keep expanding our population by 1 million every year. that's more than a city the size of San Francisco every year. it requires houses, infrastructure etc. seems to just be a way to outnumber property owners. i'm not for universal suffrage. i'm for property ownership voting, at the very least on issues that raise taxes that show up on one's property tax, where nonproperty tax payers (yes they pay through rent and complain when it goes up, that's why they vote for rent control) are allowed to vote to only raise the taxes of property owners. this is taxation with overrepresentation.
daydreamingacres
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Is he CRAZY?
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daydreamingacres said:
are you talking about knabe? if you are, that is still open for debate.
daydreamingacres
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no no no...Bush... who in their right mind would want that in their state? Oh wait maybe some Bio Terrorist.
knabe
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yahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
i'm mad as he double toothpick and i'm not gonna take it anymore
debate officially closed. yes.
look no symbols.
i'm mad as he double toothpick and i'm not gonna take it anymore
debate officially closed. yes.
look no symbols.
red
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SRU said:
heehee, maybe that should be our next poll! Is Knabe normal, crazy or DB Cooper, or a commbination of all. sorry Knabe, just kidding w/ you. I actually vote for all of the above!
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