What do you think of this Shorthorn female?

This female has won the Palermo show in Argentina on 2 occasions. She has been cloned and has 7 cloned sisters in Argentina.  It seems to me, she is kind of where we all want to be heading. What do you think?

I personally don't know how one could say by looking at a picture. What is her,her dams,and grandams stayability? Is she on a forage diet? Does she calve unnassisted? Do her sons create calving issues. Are there any carcass data on her genetic line or progency?

Phenotypically she is a good looking cow. The one thing is tho, I blew it up some and all I could see was one teat on the right side. Am I just missing it ? I wonder if she goes back to any US breeding?

Doc said:

Phenotypically she is a good looking cow. The one thing is tho, I blew it up some and all I could see was one teat on the right side. Am I just missing it ? I wonder if she goes back to any US breeding?

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I wondered the same thing about her udder, but I have been told her udder is flawless by a person who has seen her. I guess that is why pictures don't always tell the entire story. I was told that she is several generations of Argentinan breeding in her pedigree, but several generations back there is some US breeding. I am trying to find out more but I have not been able to find any place on the net where I can research Argentian Shorthorn pedigrees, I maybe haven't been looking in the right places yet though.

One of my neighbours, who I consider to be a very good cattleman, attended the Palermo show this past summer, and he came back saying that he felt there were some excellent cattle down there. He was pretty impressed with some of the Shorthorns he saw. I have seen several pictures of cattle that I think look pretty powerful, but as I said, pictures are only pictures.From the pictures I saw from last year's show, the Reserve Grand bull looked pretty powerful.  That is why I am hoping to go to Argentina this year to see for myself. Pictures are just that, and can deceive. I learned this lesson many years ago when looking for a herd bull. I was sent a picture of a bull that was selling in a US sale. He looked impressive, so I drove 1000 miles and for most of those miles, I wondered how much money it would take to get him bought. When I arrived and walked to the stall where the bull was standing, I knew within 3 seconds that I would not even be bidding on the bull at any price. I think he sold for $1800 and was never heard of again. For once I was very glad I had took the time to drive to see for myself, rather than just place a bid on the bull based on a very good picture.

I have been told that genetics from Argentina ( semen and embryos) cannot be imported into the US, however they can be imported into Canada, providing all the health protocol is followed. There has been Red Angus embryos brought into Canada from Argentina, and the resulting calves are receiving pretty good reviews. A Red Angus heifer calf from an Argentinan embryo sold this fall in a sale here in Canada for $46,000.  

I have been told that cattle in Argentina are very moderate framed, very easy fleshing and extremely sound in their make-up. They are bred to survive on grass, however, they do feed their show cattle to be fat!

For some reason the Argenetine herdbook is not one recognized by the Canadian Shorthorn Association, probably because there was no demand before.
Here is a sire summary but unfortunately I can't find an english version. Also a link to their website.

http://www.shorthorn.org.ar/ingles/desc_world/resumen-shorthorn2011.pdf

http://www.shorthorn.org.ar/ingles/historia_shorthorn.htm

Can you get Canadian pedigrees if you bought some embryos etc?

I have become friends with several different breeders from South America via Facebook. It's my opinion that if the type and kind desired there was in vogue here, shorthorns would be right there in the top 3 breeds already. Lots of purebreds. Just flat out awesome cattle that work in my type of management scenario. Of course in the good ol USA we can't buy anything unless we send them to Canada and have it brought to here. Ridiculous. IMO this gives any Canadian breeder a huge advantage in the race to breed the next great bull. I don't see how those genetics can't be used.  JIT if I would ever have had any money i would have already beat you to the punch. Instead I'll just sit on the sidelines again. Good luck. I have seen this cow on Facebook before. She seems to be pretty good. Most shorthorn breeders in the northern hemisphere would deem these cattle to short. But crossed on today's popular bloodlines could make a world of difference for the U.S herd. Good luck JIT , you'll probably make a stack of cash.

trevorgreycattleco said:

I have become friends with several different breeders from South America via Facebook. It's my opinion that if the type and kind desired there was in vogue here, shorthorns would be right there in the top 3 breeds already. Lots of purebreds. Just flat out awesome cattle that work in my type of management scenario. Of course in the good ol USA we can't buy anything unless we send them to Canada and have it brought to here. Ridiculous. IMO this gives any Canadian breeder a huge advantage in the race to breed the next great bull. I don't see how those genetics can't be used.  JIT if I would ever have had any money i would have already beat you to the punch. Instead I'll just sit on the sidelines again. Good luck. I have seen this cow on Facebook before. She seems to be pretty good. Most shorthorn breeders in the northern hemisphere would deem these cattle to short. But crossed on today's popular bloodlines could make a world of difference for the U.S herd. Good luck JIT , you'll probably make a stack of cash.

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The breeder's  Ranch Name is "Shorthorn Tres Hojas". They have a website for their Shorthorns, their Black Angus, and, their Argentine Crillollo Cow Horses. Y'uns should look it up in your spare time. The owner's name is Guiilermo, and he speaks fluent English, so communication through social media is easily accomplished.
Que lastima, que Ustedes no qiueres un "Arkie" para traducir la Idioma.

GB

justintime said:

This female has won the Palermo show in Argentina on 2 occasions. She has been cloned and has 7 cloned sisters in Argentina.  It seems to me, she is kind of where we all want to be heading. What do you think?

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She looks a great cow. The Argentinans have spent a great deal on genetics from all over the world. Over the weekend I was talking to a guy who goes over from Australia to scan for ribeye and IMF for a month every year. Some very swiched on operaters thats for sure. Out of curiosity what colour are her cloned sisters I know that has no relevance to the quality of the cow but just wondering.

Aussie said:

justintime said:

This female has won the Palermo show in Argentina on 2 occasions. She has been cloned and has 7 cloned sisters in Argentina.  It seems to me, she is kind of where we all want to be heading. What do you think?

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She looks a great cow. The Argentinans have spent a great deal on genetics from all over the world. Over the weekend I was talking to a guy who goes over from Australia to scan for ribeye and IMF for a month every year. Some very swiched on operaters thats for sure. Out of curiosity what colour are her cloned sisters I know that has no relevance to the quality of the cow but just wondering.

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I have seen a picture of the 7 cloned heifers as calves at about 4-6 weeks of age. Not sure I can find it again or not, but I will do some looking. All 7 are exactly the same color as she is and they all look to be very close in all respects. It would be interesting to see them today and see what differences there are between them. I have seen some other clones ( eg: Several Heatwave clones) and they really don't resemble each other other than in color.

garybob said:

trevorgreycattleco said:

I have become friends with several different breeders from South America via Facebook. It's my opinion that if the type and kind desired there was in vogue here, shorthorns would be right there in the top 3 breeds already. Lots of purebreds. Just flat out awesome cattle that work in my type of management scenario. Of course in the good ol USA we can't buy anything unless we send them to Canada and have it brought to here. Ridiculous. IMO this gives any Canadian breeder a huge advantage in the race to breed the next great bull. I don't see how those genetics can't be used.  JIT if I would ever have had any money i would have already beat you to the punch. Instead I'll just sit on the sidelines again. Good luck. I have seen this cow on Facebook before. She seems to be pretty good. Most shorthorn breeders in the northern hemisphere would deem these cattle to short. But crossed on today's popular bloodlines could make a world of difference for the U.S herd. Good luck JIT , you'll probably make a stack of cash.

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The breeder's  Ranch Name is "Shorthorn Tres Hojas". They have a website for their Shorthorns, their Black Angus, and, their Argentine Crillollo Cow Horses. Y'uns should look it up in your spare time. The owner's name is Guiilermo, and he speaks fluent English, so communication through social media is easily accomplished.
Que lastima, que Ustedes no qiueres un "Arkie" para traducir la Idioma.

GB

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He sure does have some good looking cattle!  Brock hit the nail on the head.  The first one to import these cattle will set the new standard!

Clones

I personally love her bull calf in the photo. Clones look very consistent.

Telos said:

I personally love her bull calf in the photo. Clones look very consistent.

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You know why they have that bull calf displayed at that angle, right?

Why would clones have different sexes?

aj said:

Why would clones have different sexes?

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They don't.  They are genetically identical.

Why was the bull calf at an angle.....so his weiny wouldn't show?

aj said:

Why was the bull calf at an angle.....so his weiny wouldn't show?

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maybe he has tiny bubbles.

why would the US shorthorn herd need another round of unknown, completely different genetics?  I know, b/c that's what the shorthorn breed does- chase new things and hunt fads.

IMO, if you can't find the genetics, and the phenotype in the US/ Canada- then you're not looking hard enough.  This breed here is diverse enough to suit everyone.

The most pure scotch genetics that exsist on the planet are unknown? Come on man. Im sure there are good cattle here. In fact I know there are. But that's a ass backwards way of thinkin IMO. These are still shorthorns. Raised in large numbers on grass.  That's a positive contribution to the gene pool.  Which last time I checked needs new blood that. And thrive in a minimum input deal. Cattle have been brought into the states forever. Some good some bad. But these cattle deserve a shot.